The Official F1 2025 silly season *contains speculation*

The Official F1 2025 silly season *contains speculation*

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MartG

20,706 posts

205 months

Saturday 4th May
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Liberty could be in trouble...






732NM

4,684 posts

16 months

Saturday 4th May
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Already covered in the dedicated thread.

Sandpit Steve

10,197 posts

75 months

Saturday 4th May
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vaud said:
Leithen said:
Verstappen will go to Merc at the end of the year. Sainz will replace him and win the 2025 championship.
To be fair to Verstappen if he takes a risk and goes to Mercedes and leads them to a WDC over time then much like Lewis, he will be viewed as one of the best.
Absolutely, the greatest drivers are those who have won championships with more than one team.

It’s a horrible job to work out where to go though, and while Red Bull is obviously the car to be in this year and probably next, it’s anyone’s guess after that. You’d have to guess that Ferrari and Mercedes are the most likely winners though, as even in the cost cap era they’re the most resourced teams. Ferrari don’t have a vacancy, so Mercedes seems the place to go if he’s going to move.

Many people said at the time that Schumacher was mad to go to Ferrari, and Hamilton to go to Mercedes, but hindsight says those were GOAT moves, the driver signings being a part of each of those teams putting in a serious effort to return to the top step of the podium.

732NM

4,684 posts

16 months

Saturday 4th May
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I don't recall anyone saying Schumacher going to Ferrari was mad. It was so clearly the right move with the resources and technical team they were building with Jean Todt, already a legendary TP from rallying (which was far bigger a deal than now) heading it up.

The talk was more about how Benetton were about to fall losing their key staff and star driver.

SpudLink

5,922 posts

193 months

Saturday 4th May
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Sandpit Steve said:
Absolutely, the greatest drivers are those who have won championships with more than one team.
That is generally true. However Alonso is considered by many (including myself) to be up there with the best in the history of the sport. But he only has championships with one team. Those ‘almost’ championships with McLaren and Ferrari don’t count for anything in the record books.


paulguitar

23,690 posts

114 months

Saturday 4th May
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SpudLink said:
Sandpit Steve said:
Absolutely, the greatest drivers are those who have won championships with more than one team.
That is generally true. However Alonso is considered by many (including myself) to be up there with the best in the history of the sport. But he only has championships with one team. Those ‘almost’ championships with McLaren and Ferrari don’t count for anything in the record books.
Senna...

732NM

4,684 posts

16 months

Saturday 4th May
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paulguitar said:
Senna...
He would have won many championships with Williams.

paulguitar

23,690 posts

114 months

Saturday 4th May
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732NM said:
paulguitar said:
Senna...
He would have won many championships with Williams.
He didn't though, and is still considered a great.

SpudLink

5,922 posts

193 months

Saturday 4th May
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paulguitar said:
732NM said:
paulguitar said:
Senna...
He would have won many championships with Williams.
He didn't though, and is still considered a great.
I didn’t mention Senna or Jim Clark because both their careers were cut short. But yeah.

CoolHands

18,753 posts

196 months

Saturday 4th May
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MartG said:
Liberty could be in trouble...

That font is embarrassing

phil1979

3,560 posts

216 months

Saturday 4th May
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SpudLink said:
Sandpit Steve said:
Absolutely, the greatest drivers are those who have won championships with more than one team.
That is generally true. However Alonso is considered by many (including myself) to be up there with the best in the history of the sport. But he only has championships with one team. Those ‘almost’ championships with McLaren and Ferrari don’t count for anything in the record books.
I always knew Moss was ste

PhilAsia

3,882 posts

76 months

Saturday 4th May
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CoolHands said:
MartG said:
Liberty could be in trouble...

That font is embarrassing
Standard "Nigerian" font...?

PRO5T

3,998 posts

26 months

Sunday 5th May
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I'd imagine Saintz to Mercedes on a two year should now be a formality, or even a one year to see how Audi shake themselves down.

Audi may really want him but he's not going to bring anything to the technical side so while his speed may generate some extra points above Bottas or Zou (either of whom would take a one or two year deal and be happy) would it be enough to offset the supposedly huge salary he's been promised?

The days of drivers developing cars is long gone.

Mercedes can wait to see if Verstappen wants to jump from Red Bull (I don't think he will as early as next year but 2026?) or if Antonelli somehow turns out to be the next great hope (I don't see that either).

ajprice

27,651 posts

197 months

Thursday 9th May
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More spray guard tests, more like full wheel and tyre covers this time. One thing that would be safer but duller is that there wouldn't be tyre to tyre contact with these. The covers would probably have to be colour coded to the tyres too, if the cover is part of the wheel and tyre in pit stops, and you'd have to have Pirelli logos on there when you can barely see the sidewall.

https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/ferrari-trials-m...


Forester1965

1,735 posts

4 months

Thursday 9th May
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Jesus F1 is stupid sometimes. Keep adding bodge to bodge instead of admitting the current aero rules/tyres do nothing for the sport at all.

ThingsBehindTheSun

177 posts

32 months

Thursday 9th May
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Will the equivalent of this be the next step?


matrignano

4,398 posts

211 months

Thursday 9th May
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ajprice said:
More spray guard tests, more like full wheel and tyre covers this time. One thing that would be safer but duller is that there wouldn't be tyre to tyre contact with these. The covers would probably have to be colour coded to the tyres too, if the cover is part of the wheel and tyre in pit stops, and you'd have to have Pirelli logos on there when you can barely see the sidewall.

https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/ferrari-trials-m...

I assume/hope only to be used in wet condition where otherwise the race might be severely impaired, e.g. Spa 21?

But agree, not very practical and quite a "bodge"

MustangGT

11,670 posts

281 months

Thursday 9th May
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ThingsBehindTheSun said:
Will the equivalent of this be the next step?

Would be perfect for Magnusson, and perhaps the Williams team.

J210

4,539 posts

184 months

Thursday 9th May
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Most of the spray comes from the diffuser. FIA lets stick bins over the wheels and see if that stops the spray.....

bunch of morons

vaud

Original Poster:

50,703 posts

156 months

Thursday 9th May
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J210 said:
Most of the spray comes from the diffuser. FIA lets stick bins over the wheels and see if that stops the spray.....

bunch of morons
I think they were aware it was complex:

Nikolas Tombazis spoke about the project at the end of 2022. He explained:

"We only think it’s going to be something that gets used on a couple of occasions a year, maybe three, that sort of thing.

"We don’t want it to be that every time there’s a drop of rain, then suddenly you have to fit these things.

"We have done a lot of CFD simulations, because we want to make sure the effect of these devices is relatively small on the overall aerodynamics. There still is an effect, but not a massive one.

"Also, we are simulating the droplets of the rain and so on, and seeing how it affects spray. What is a bit of a challenge in the simulations is to determine the relative proportion of what comes from the diffuser to what comes from the tyres.

"Once we have a solution, we’ll get to do some prototypes and run them on some cars to try and evaluate that properly."