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I don't think the Redbull is anywhere near as different than last year's car as people are making out.
They've moved the lip from the bottom to the top of the horizontal intake and added a vertical extension to the intake down the side of the chassis. Ferrari have a very similar vertical intake there, albeit not directly joined to the main cooling inlet; the general consensus seems to be that it's more for ingesting dirty air flowing along the tub to keep it away from the undercut than for additional cooling. The decision to move the lip is interesting but the job of that lip seems to be to provide clean flow to either the undercut or the top side of the sidepods at the expense of spilling dirty air into the other so the difference could well be pretty marginal.
They've also copied Mercedes upper bodywork design from last year which seems to be aimed at keeping the dirty air coming off the cockpit away from the diffuser.
So as far as I can see Redbull have taken last year's design concept, refined it a bit and integrated a couple of ideas they saw on competitors' cars from last year into it.
The front wing design is interesting, but front wings can easily be changed.
The big question that we wont get an answer to until someone crashes in the right place, is what they've done under the floor.
They've moved the lip from the bottom to the top of the horizontal intake and added a vertical extension to the intake down the side of the chassis. Ferrari have a very similar vertical intake there, albeit not directly joined to the main cooling inlet; the general consensus seems to be that it's more for ingesting dirty air flowing along the tub to keep it away from the undercut than for additional cooling. The decision to move the lip is interesting but the job of that lip seems to be to provide clean flow to either the undercut or the top side of the sidepods at the expense of spilling dirty air into the other so the difference could well be pretty marginal.
They've also copied Mercedes upper bodywork design from last year which seems to be aimed at keeping the dirty air coming off the cockpit away from the diffuser.
So as far as I can see Redbull have taken last year's design concept, refined it a bit and integrated a couple of ideas they saw on competitors' cars from last year into it.
The front wing design is interesting, but front wings can easily be changed.
The big question that we wont get an answer to until someone crashes in the right place, is what they've done under the floor.
Forester1965 said:
I bet the sidepods on the Red Bull disappear before the start of the season, as per Mercedes 2022.
I don’t think so, as it’s a downwash concept that needs sidepods to speed the airflow to the diffuser floor, unlike the Mercedes’ outwash concept. The interesting question is whether it has any horizontal radiators tucked away underneath the fairing. I think it must do, the thin vertical ducts would give enough cooling unless RB has discovered a whole new way to cool the car.
Piginapoke said:
The interesting question is whether it has any horizontal radiators tucked away underneath the fairing. I think it must do, the thin vertical ducts would give enough cooling unless RB has discovered a whole new way to cool the car.
There's no way to be sure without better pictures but I'm pretty sure there's still horizontal cooling intakes tucked away underneath that lip. WPA said:
WestyCarl said:
If true this has to be the biggest gotcha in F1. Fair play to Newey and his team (if true) 
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Does not matter how gifted Newey is, I still cannot see it working, Mercedes found it very draggy as no bodywork to hide the rear wheels.Autosport
Edited by WestyCarl on Saturday 17th February 19:57
Lets hope they cock it up for a change, judging by Horner's comments is he just stirring things as if they do build 2 very different cars under the cost cap, questions will be asked, they can get around wind tunnel testing as by all accounts, cooling upgrades are excluded.
Also it will be interesting to see if the other teams are happy with great innovation that he speaks of (something dodgy in other words)
ajprice said:
Koln-RS said:
Will the F1 Academy cars, this year, wear the same livery as the F1 teams that are running them ?
From what I've seen of McLaren and Mercedes, basic versions of the colours and liveries
The Williams car reveal will probably be at testing this week https://www.the-race.com/formula-1/why-2024-willia...
ajprice said:
The Williams car reveal will probably be at testing this week https://www.the-race.com/formula-1/why-2024-willia...
I hope they are right about this not being 2019 all over again ...Not shaking down at a cold Silverstone makes sense as long as everything is absolutely fine ... which you only know after the shakedown.
Seems a big risk to shakedown late so far away from home. I'm trying to be "glass half full" but I'm worried as a Williams fan.
Mark-C said:
ajprice said:
The Williams car reveal will probably be at testing this week https://www.the-race.com/formula-1/why-2024-willia...
I hope they are right about this not being 2019 all over again ...Not shaking down at a cold Silverstone makes sense as long as everything is absolutely fine ... which you only know after the shakedown.
Seems a big risk to shakedown late so far away from home. I'm trying to be "glass half full" but I'm worried as a Williams fan.
ajprice said:
The Williams car reveal will probably be at testing this week https://www.the-race.com/formula-1/why-2024-willia...
"the team has taken a huge amount of risk with it's conception" So the floor won't be as flat as a board this time?
TikTak said:
ajprice said:
The Williams car reveal will probably be at testing this week https://www.the-race.com/formula-1/why-2024-willia...
"the team has taken a huge amount of risk with it's conception" So the floor won't be as flat as a board this time?
AceRockatansky said:
WPA said:
I am wondering if maybe RB had to go for a new direction as they had reached the top of the performance window with the old car, maybe they could not make the old design any faster.
Most likely a red herring.(Shaped into a vertical sidepod by the catering staff)
entropy said:
AceRockatansky said:
WPA said:
I am wondering if maybe RB had to go for a new direction as they had reached the top of the performance window with the old car, maybe they could not make the old design any faster.
Most likely a red herring.(Shaped into a vertical sidepod by the catering staff)
WPA said:
The issue that Mercedes had was more to do with drag from the rear wheels so the car was slow, Newey may be a genius but I still cannot see how if they do go narrow why they will still not have the same issue.
The wheel drag wasn't a surprise to Merc, they thought the design would make the floor so much more effective it would overcome that defecit. When that predicted benefit didn't materialise they were left with a draggy car that didn't make as much free downforce via the floor as they hoped. honda_exige said:
WPA said:
The issue that Mercedes had was more to do with drag from the rear wheels so the car was slow, Newey may be a genius but I still cannot see how if they do go narrow why they will still not have the same issue.
The wheel drag wasn't a surprise to Merc, they thought the design would make the floor so much more effective it would overcome that defecit. When that predicted benefit didn't materialise they were left with a draggy car that didn't make as much free downforce via the floor as they hoped. Phew, the Williams has made it out for a shakedown ahead of testing.
https://twitter.com/WilliamsRacing/status/17598384...
https://twitter.com/WilliamsRacing/status/17598384...
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