F1 has rejected Andretti's entry bid
Discussion
Can't enter without proving you're competitive for podiums and wins, but haas who have been a constructor since 2016 scoring 12 points all season (and who scored 0 points in 2021) are fine to remain there...
Edit... And for all their talk of budget caps and making it fairer, they're still getting it all wrong if their response to a new competitor is basically "it's too difficult to build an F1 car unless you're already building them" and "you can't have a customer engine, you need to have a new manufacturer building engines for you before you've even been granted an entry"
Edit... And for all their talk of budget caps and making it fairer, they're still getting it all wrong if their response to a new competitor is basically "it's too difficult to build an F1 car unless you're already building them" and "you can't have a customer engine, you need to have a new manufacturer building engines for you before you've even been granted an entry"
Edited by Ian974 on Thursday 1st February 00:40
No surprise, writting had been on the wall for long enough that they were not going to be welcomed.
I can only assume they have a plan as I cannot see them being naive enough to think that they were going to be allowed in. They have been very bullish from the start. Perhaps they'll buy up another team.
One valid point made was they would have to develop a car for 2025 and straight away develop another fully car to the new regs for 2026.
I would have them in. Will be no worse than the back row teams.
I can only assume they have a plan as I cannot see them being naive enough to think that they were going to be allowed in. They have been very bullish from the start. Perhaps they'll buy up another team.
One valid point made was they would have to develop a car for 2025 and straight away develop another fully car to the new regs for 2026.
I would have them in. Will be no worse than the back row teams.
Sandpit Steve said:
Not a good decision, smacks of the existing teams trying to protect their slice of the pie, rather than being interested in growing the pie. If not an entrant as well-organised and funded as Andretti, then who would they ever let in?
F1 used to be about selfish and often doomed attempts to win a world championship or two. A 'slice of the pie' was something for Bernie to worry about.This corporate, asset-based greed is a relatively new phenomena. The canaries in the coal mine were events such as Ross Brawn making a killing 'buying' and selling his eponymous team and Wolff turning Mercedes into a winning race team that could also turn a substantial operating profit.
From there, gloves are off, and the money men have ruled the roost since.
Look at the cost cap, for example. The argument was that a cost cap would prevent teams folding (despite, as above, teams doing well financially without one). It was sold to prevent a development arms race. Now we.have a cost cap. Yet at the same time, of the most restrictive regulations ever. No meaningful engine development. The cost cap is not designed to protect the sport or teams from oblivion. It's designed to make F1 racing *cheap*. To make teams profitable. To grow the value of the asset.
F1 is no longer a sport. It is a commercial operation designed to make the small number of franchise holders very wealthy.
tele_lover said:
Burrow01 said:
I can see the EU Competition Commission being interested in this...
Do they have any jurisdiction though?The original split of Sporting Organisation (FIA) and Commercial Rights (Bernie..) was an EU directive
eliot said:
suspect karma will kick fom in the arse at some point when 1 or 2 teams quit once netflix have moved on
Given that the existing teams want to keep a closed shop, the value of an F1 entry is going to be several hundred million dolllars - if the quitting team can find someone to buy it. 
Burrow01 said:
FIA is based in Paris, and some of the teams are EU based, and so I think they have enough there to get involved.
The original split of Sporting Organisation (FIA) and Commercial Rights (Bernie..) was an EU directive
I wouldn't place too much money on the FIA being the regulator of F1 within few years. Liberty don't need them for its vision of F1 and they just act as a drag on the commercials. The original split of Sporting Organisation (FIA) and Commercial Rights (Bernie..) was an EU directive
Forester1965 said:
I wouldn't place too much money on the FIA being the regulator of F1 within few years. Liberty don't need them for its vision of F1 and they just act as a drag on the commercials.
I don't think I'd go that far but I could certainly see the FIA roll being greatly diminished leaving them essentially as just umpires of the rules which will be written by others. After what is likely to be much shouting, screaming, secret briefings, moaning, complaining and 
flinging the path of least resistance for both Liberty and the FIA is to find a way of working together. Liberty need the F1 brand and the FIA need the Liberty cash so in the end a deal will get done.realjv said:
I don't think I'd go that far but I could certainly see the FIA roll being greatly diminished leaving them essentially as just umpires of the rules which will be written by others. After what is likely to be much shouting, screaming, secret briefings, moaning, complaining and flinging the path of least resistance for both Liberty and the FIA is to find a way of working together. Liberty need the F1 brand and the FIA need the Liberty cash so in the end a deal will get done.
It’s been suggested elsewhere on these forums, that Liberty’s push towards temporary street circuits would be advantageous if there was ever a move away from the FIA. flinging the path of least resistance for both Liberty and the FIA is to find a way of working together. Liberty need the F1 brand and the FIA need the Liberty cash so in the end a deal will get done.Circuit licensing is one thing that the FIA can use to prevent a breakaway series - but if there’s only ever F1 on the circuits, then the breakaway becomes much easier to engineer.
AIUI the trademarks for various F1 brands are all owed by Liberty rather than the FIA.
Boom78 said:
I’ve gone from being a passionate F1 fan to not giving two hoots in a matter of years.
I've gone from attending 3 or 4 races a year to watching YouTube highlights. I went to Le Mans last year for the first time and am going back again this year, along with the 6 hours of Spa. I know there's an element of contrivance around BOP, but the racing is great - Le Mans was closer after 6 or 7 hours than a lot of F1 races are after 6 or 7 laps - obviously I'm aware that I'm a complete newbie to WEC and it won't always be like this, but for now it has my attention.HardtopManual said:
I've gone from attending 3 or 4 races a year to watching YouTube highlights. I went to Le Mans last year for the first time and am going back again this year, along with the 6 hours of Spa. I know there's an element of contrivance around BOP, but the racing is great - Le Mans was closer after 6 or 7 hours than a lot of F1 races are after 6 or 7 laps - obviously I'm aware that I'm a complete newbie to WEC and it won't always be like this, but for now it has my attention.
I've been a convert to Le Mans since 2015, I just find it provides much more value for money than any F1 race does - especially now Silverstone costs over £200 just for general admission! I'm sure in the first 5 hours of last year's Le Mans there were 4 different manufacturers leading at various points on out right pace, did we see even 4 different drivers leading in F1 last year?
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