F1 has rejected Andretti's entry bid
Discussion
MustangGT said:
I do actually think there was a valid point in that any entrant would have to produce a competitive car for one season, before a big tech rules change.
Assuming they can afford to, why should the other teams or sport owner worry about that?Afraid what we're seeing is corporate behaviour when it gets to run it's own playpen. Circling of the wagons to protect their own financial interests ahead of their customers' (us).
Do most F1 fans really care about the balance sheet value of any one team? Does making an operating profit running an F1 team somehow make the sport more exciting to watch? Of course not. Yet these are the things driving decisions throughout the sport. That is why we're only allowed to watch 10 teams fight it out rather than 11.
Andretti have been poaching top personnel from leading F1 teams and maybe some teams didn’t want that to continue. By turning their application down that might have stopped the interest in joining a new team such as Andretti. Andretti would have been a competitive team very quickly and that scared some existing teams.
Tazar said:
Andretti have been poaching top personnel from leading F1 teams and maybe some teams didn’t want that to continue. By turning their application down that might have stopped the interest in joining a new team such as Andretti. Andretti would have been a competitive team very quickly and that scared some existing teams.
I doubt this; most new entrants underestimate how long it takes to be competitive in F1. vaud said:
Tazar said:
Andretti have been poaching top personnel from leading F1 teams and maybe some teams didn’t want that to continue. By turning their application down that might have stopped the interest in joining a new team such as Andretti. Andretti would have been a competitive team very quickly and that scared some existing teams.
I doubt this; most new entrants underestimate how long it takes to be competitive in F1. 
MustangGT said:
Exactly, Andretti has literally very little idea of what it takes to win in F1, the formulae they currently race in are as far away from F1 as it is possible to be. Poaching staff gives them a small idea, they would need to poach the entire senior management of a single team to have a good idea.
How many teams currently on the grid have an idea about what it takes to win in F1? At very best in the last 2 seasons it's 4 of the 10, IF you include Mclaren's sprint race victory. On the basis of last season it's barely 2 of the 10 teams..DanielSan said:
MustangGT said:
Exactly, Andretti has literally very little idea of what it takes to win in F1, the formulae they currently race in are as far away from F1 as it is possible to be. Poaching staff gives them a small idea, they would need to poach the entire senior management of a single team to have a good idea.
How many teams currently on the grid have an idea about what it takes to win in F1? At very best in the last 2 seasons it's 4 of the 10, IF you include Mclaren's sprint race victory. On the basis of last season it's barely 2 of the 10 teams..Time4another said:
One valid point made was they would have to develop a car for 2025 and straight away develop another fully car to the new regs for 2026.
I would have them in. Will be no worse than the back row teams.
i'd have done a basic ish car for 2025 and just run it as a test season getting everyone used to pit stops and the team gelling with a proper run at it for 2026. I would have them in. Will be no worse than the back row teams.
If you were an existing team who believes Andretti will be here for 2026 but wanted to block them for 2025, you're a numpty.
The effort of designing, building and paying for a 2025 entry would be a serious impediment to their efforts creating an effective 2026 one.
Strategically you'd want Andretti on the grid for 2025.
Which makes me assume the game really is to block them into perpetuity.
The effort of designing, building and paying for a 2025 entry would be a serious impediment to their efforts creating an effective 2026 one.
Strategically you'd want Andretti on the grid for 2025.
Which makes me assume the game really is to block them into perpetuity.
Forester1965 said:
If you were an existing team who believes Andretti will be here for 2026 but wanted to block them for 2025, you're a numpty.
The effort of designing, building and paying for a 2025 entry would be a serious impediment to their efforts creating an effective 2026 one.
Strategically you'd want Andretti on the grid for 2025.
Which makes me assume the game really is to block them into perpetuity.
It was mentioned on The Race F1 podcast that an un-named team principal had said before Christmas Andretti will be refused and the requirements for a new team will also be very quickly rewritten. I guess we'll see now now if those new requirements appear... The effort of designing, building and paying for a 2025 entry would be a serious impediment to their efforts creating an effective 2026 one.
Strategically you'd want Andretti on the grid for 2025.
Which makes me assume the game really is to block them into perpetuity.
asfault said:
i'd have done a basic ish car for 2025 and just run it as a test season getting everyone used to pit stops and the team gelling with a proper run at it for 2026.
They wouldn't qualify for the race if they did that.2025 was a none starter, and in their subsequent press release they state 2026 was their target for first year of entry.
Forester1965 said:
You are familiar with the history of the Andretti family, non?
After a week or so I think the answer is indeed 'non'. Much of the sentiment on this thread confirms my view that F1 is no longer the apex of the motor racing pyramid , but a standalone sport , complete with a fanbase all of its very own . Coming soon - who was that Dan Gurney anyway , only scored one win ? And Tom Christian -something , was it ? What did he ever do ? coppice said:
Forester1965 said:
You are familiar with the history of the Andretti family, non?
After a week or so I think the answer is indeed 'non'. Much of the sentiment on this thread confirms my view that F1 is no longer the apex of the motor racing pyramid , but a standalone sport , complete with a fanbase all of its very own . Coming soon - who was that Dan Gurney anyway , only scored one win ? And Tom Christian -something , was it ? What did he ever do ? Mario was a great all round driver from an era where they drove anything with wheels.
Michael was a total flop in F1, didn't commit properly to what was a fantastic opportunity and was booted out mid season.
They are mostly a USA name, but not as constructors, mostly as indycar drivers who grew to customer car team runners under their own name.
Attempting F1 as a constructor is an enormous task. Could they pull it off? When you consider Haas has been a Ferrari customer team well embedded within the Ferrari technical heart working with one of the best chassis designers and manufacturers, it would have to be a minor miracle for Andretti to pull it off based in the USA.
Should they get the opportunity? Why not, the worst that can happen is they go bankrupt, and it's their money to throw away. If they cant build something fast enough they will simply not qualify for the race. If the chassis is not safe, it wont pass the crash tests.
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