Official 2024 Japanese Grand Prix Thread ***SPOILERS***
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Blib said:
Forester1965 said:
Agree with all of that.
Yeah, all of those Hamilton years were real edge of the seat stuff.Also, 2017 and 2018 were title fights between Hamilton and Vettel.
The situation we have now is significantly different.
paulguitar said:
Blib said:
Forester1965 said:
Agree with all of that.
Yeah, all of those Hamilton years were real edge of the seat stuff.Also, 2017 and 2018 were title fights between Hamilton and Vettel.
The situation we have now is significantly different.
595Heaven said:
The grapes just keep getting even more sour for some…
Red Bull have a done a fantastic job of developing their car. Other teams have had huge periods of dominance in the past, and it is the way it should be.
If you don’t like it, maybe try watching a one make series.
What like F1 at the moment, nobody is getting close to that team this yearRed Bull have a done a fantastic job of developing their car. Other teams have had huge periods of dominance in the past, and it is the way it should be.
If you don’t like it, maybe try watching a one make series.
Edited by 595Heaven on Tuesday 9th April 12:58
Your also forgetting that they breached the cost cap and are enjoying a locked in advantage.
carlo996 said:
isaldiri said:
WPA said:
Is it time for the FIA to act then?
Lets be honest they tried hobbling Mercedes at every chance they could, surely it is now time they step in and close the field somehow.
Or do people think they are happy for viewing figures to keep dropping which they must be.
If the FIA tried to mess around with aero rules to knock Red Bull back but end up letting them exploit any new loopholes better than everyone else it would be quite something for unintended consequences......Lets be honest they tried hobbling Mercedes at every chance they could, surely it is now time they step in and close the field somehow.
Or do people think they are happy for viewing figures to keep dropping which they must be.
WPA said:
595Heaven said:
The grapes just keep getting even more sour for some…
Red Bull have a done a fantastic job of developing their car. Other teams have had huge periods of dominance in the past, and it is the way it should be.
If you don’t like it, maybe try watching a one make series.
What like F1 at the moment, nobody is getting close to that team this yearRed Bull have a done a fantastic job of developing their car. Other teams have had huge periods of dominance in the past, and it is the way it should be.
If you don’t like it, maybe try watching a one make series.
Edited by 595Heaven on Tuesday 9th April 12:58
Your also forgetting that they breached the cost cap and are enjoying a locked in advantage.
plenty of good action behind them thoughNot forgotten they breached the cost cap, but possibly you’ve forgotten that they were fined and had a reduction in wind tunnel testing time, yet still managed to put themselves some distance ahead of everyone.
Like them or not, they’ve done an incredible job, even if it makes for a predictable result.
vaud said:
I suspect the key difference is Anthony wanted to do everything he could to help Lewis succeed, but he wasn't living his driving dreams through Lewis, whereas I suspect Jos has an element of Max getting WDCs that he never could.
Anthony is quite the lobbyist and he'll soon be running his own F1 team with hip-hop investors.Allegedly
595Heaven said:
Mr Pointy said:
carlo996 said:
entropy said:
Give them a few extra mm in diffuser height?
BoP is the answer no-one wants to hear. F1 is a meritocracy and if it remains so there's always going to be a team(s) doing a job better than the rest and the haves and have nots.
But why penalise a team which had made the best of the regulations? It’s the opposite of what’s needed. Poor old Mercedes are going around in circles all by themselves. It’s tough luck. Get better people…BoP is the answer no-one wants to hear. F1 is a meritocracy and if it remains so there's always going to be a team(s) doing a job better than the rest and the haves and have nots.
Engine party mode - banned
DAS - banned
Etc etc
Red Bull have a done a fantastic job of developing their car. Other teams have had huge periods of dominance in the past, and it is the way it should be.
If you don’t like it, maybe try watching a one make series.
Edited by 595Heaven on Tuesday 9th April 12:58
2) The majority seem to object to a lacklustre team mate and zero competition to create even an iota of intrigue - which is the point you carefully sidestepped.
3) Then there is the sanctioned fantastic job of cheating to get to their wafty rocket ship.
Not sure we are going to agree though.
PhilAsia said:
1) No, I think that most are fine with a dominant team.
2) The majority seem to object to a lacklustre team mate and zero competition to create even an iota of intrigue - which is the point you carefully sidestepped.
3) Then there is the sanctioned fantastic job of cheating to get to their wafty rocket ship.
Not sure we are going to agree though.
1 - was certainly the case with Mercedes I guess2) The majority seem to object to a lacklustre team mate and zero competition to create even an iota of intrigue - which is the point you carefully sidestepped.
3) Then there is the sanctioned fantastic job of cheating to get to their wafty rocket ship.
Not sure we are going to agree though.
2 - I do agree in principle, but Red Bull have shown that one mega driver and one mid-ranking driver can brings home the Championships pretty successfully. Mercedes even let their mid-range driver get one over on Hamilton!
3 - Do tell. Is this the $1.8m overspend which cost them $7m in fines still paying dividends? Or is the closet still holding other skeletons?
595Heaven said:
The grapes just keep getting even more sour for some…
Red Bull have a done a fantastic job of developing their car. Other teams have had huge periods of dominance in the past, and it is the way it should be.
If you don’t like it, maybe try watching a one make series.
Exactly, the more things change the more they stay the same. Red Bull have a done a fantastic job of developing their car. Other teams have had huge periods of dominance in the past, and it is the way it should be.
If you don’t like it, maybe try watching a one make series.
Edited by 595Heaven on Tuesday 9th April 12:58
Blib said:
Forester1965 said:
Agree with all of that.
Yeah, all of those Hamilton years were real edge of the seat stuff.And how Schumacher battled against all the odds to eke out victories for Ferrari is the stuff of legend.
As for Vettel at Red bull..........
McLaren anyone.......?
As you'll see, the Mercedes dominated era was more competitive for the WDC than the current Red Bull one. None of the Schumacher years were as dominant as 2023 and, as you can see, the Vettel years were typically much closer than your memory believes. Same goes for the McLaren.
Forester1965 said:
Ok, I'll accept that challenge. Here's the competitiveness of the WDC battle in each of the last 40 years, by Constructor titles. The competitiveness expressed as the 2nd placed driver's points as a % of the winner's.
As you'll see, the Mercedes dominated era was more competitive for the WDC than the current Red Bull one. None of the Schumacher years were as dominant as 2023 and, as you can see, the Vettel years were typically much closer than your memory believes. Same goes for the McLaren.
Yes, we're back to the dark days of 2001/2 in terms of competition, and Perez is the new Barrichelo. At least back then the cars were more exciting to watch - light, agile and sounded great.As you'll see, the Mercedes dominated era was more competitive for the WDC than the current Red Bull one. None of the Schumacher years were as dominant as 2023 and, as you can see, the Vettel years were typically much closer than your memory believes. Same goes for the McLaren.
Blib said:
Crikey!
But, they weren't, were they?
Everyone could see that Schumi/Vettel/Hamilton were way out front and unchallenged for many of those seasons.
To suggest that we were all watching with bated breathe to see who would come out on top is, IMO, pushing it.
2010 and 2012 were pretty damn close.But, they weren't, were they?
Everyone could see that Schumi/Vettel/Hamilton were way out front and unchallenged for many of those seasons.
To suggest that we were all watching with bated breathe to see who would come out on top is, IMO, pushing it.
2010 going to the last race where 4 (?) drivers could have been WDC
2012 where we had seven different drivers winning the first seven races of the championship and it went to the last race....
vaud said:
Blib said:
Crikey!
But, they weren't, were they?
Everyone could see that Schumi/Vettel/Hamilton were way out front and unchallenged for many of those seasons.
To suggest that we were all watching with bated breathe to see who would come out on top is, IMO, pushing it.
2010 and 2012 were pretty damn close.But, they weren't, were they?
Everyone could see that Schumi/Vettel/Hamilton were way out front and unchallenged for many of those seasons.
To suggest that we were all watching with bated breathe to see who would come out on top is, IMO, pushing it.
2010 going to the last race where 4 (?) drivers could have been WDC
2012 where we had seven different drivers winning the first seven races of the championship and it went to the last race....
595Heaven said:
Mr Pointy said:
carlo996 said:
entropy said:
Give them a few extra mm in diffuser height?
BoP is the answer no-one wants to hear. F1 is a meritocracy and if it remains so there's always going to be a team(s) doing a job better than the rest and the haves and have nots.
But why penalise a team which had made the best of the regulations? It’s the opposite of what’s needed. Poor old Mercedes are going around in circles all by themselves. It’s tough luck. Get better people…BoP is the answer no-one wants to hear. F1 is a meritocracy and if it remains so there's always going to be a team(s) doing a job better than the rest and the haves and have nots.
Engine party mode - banned
DAS - banned
Etc etc
Red Bull have a done a fantastic job of developing their car. Other teams have had huge periods of dominance in the past, and it is the way it should be.
If you don’t like it, maybe try watching a one make series.
Edited by 595Heaven on Tuesday 9th April 12:58
thegreenhell said:
Yes, we're back to the dark days of 2001/2 in terms of competition, and Perez is the new Barrichelo. At least back then the cars were more exciting to watch - light, agile and sounded great.
Not to mention moved around a fair bit and could race wheel to wheel. Fuel strategy was great, as were different engine configurations. Shame loads will never experience what it once was. thegreenhell said:
Yes, we're back to the dark days of 2001/2 in terms of competition, and Perez is the new Barrichelo. At least back then the cars were more exciting to watch - light, agile and sounded great.
Sadly yes. It’s the combination of the dominant constructor and a dominant / contractual #1 driver within that team. People will start switching off, if they haven’t done already. This thread is shorter than any F1 race thread of the past few years, although we’ve collectively just added a few more pages complaining about it being the dark days of 2001 and 2002 all over again - but without the massive visceral experience of seeing and hearing the cars live.
Not many fans were complaining about 2015 and 2016 being dominated by one team, nor in 1988 and 1989 when I was in short trousers. We all tuned in not knowing who was going to win on Sunday most of the time.
I suspect Liberty have the TV viewing figures, and if they’re not going down yet, they’re not up as much as they might have expected. Americans won’t put up for long with the same guy predictably winning every weekend, nor will a lot of the more established European audiences, except for perhaps the Dutch!
As it seems this one will be the second year out of three that Hamilton will be beaten by Russell. Add to that the anger and envy towards Super Max and Hamilton is in a downward spiral. And next year he will face Leclerc, who is more talented than Russell. I think he should have retired to hang out with his fashion and hip hop friends from the USA.
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