Official 2024 Chinese Grand Prix Thread ***SPOILERS***
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BrettMRC said:
DRS would be much more interesting if it was limited to a set number of activations per race, and can be used in any DRS zone regardless of current distance to the next nearest car.
I think the strategy implications would be interesting with that!
That's effectively what push to pass could achieve. There could be any number ways a driver could trigger/earn additional deployable power, and number of times or how much extra power they can use in a lap or race could be set within the rules too.I think the strategy implications would be interesting with that!
For example, they could set it up so the longer you can stay within 1 second of the car in front, the more 'boost' power can be generated - which would force close driving for a few laps ahead of eventually making a clean pass, not dissimilar to a DRS pass but it could happen anywhere on the circuit that the driver chooses. It would also be 'earned' more than a DRS pass due to the time taken to generate the required boost.
It would also avoid the current DRS re-pass nonsense, as the car that had been passed wouldn't be able to stay within a second of the car that passed it for long enough to build up enough boost to re-pass, because they car that passed it was fundamentally faster and will be gone down the road soon enough.
I'm still not sure if I like anything artificial tbh, but at a practical level an electric boost push to pass system can do all that DRS currently does but offers more flexibility with regard to how it's used and what the rules can demand - so it's a better potential solution, an evolution.
Jasandjules said:
romft123 said:
Max was 3 seconds ahead of second place after 4 laps, 6 seconds ahead after 7. Thats just incredible. Just HTF can anyone get near that
They can't. That Red Bull is 1-2 seconds a lap faster than the best of the rest. We are not going to see any racing until 2026, assuming that temas diverge and we don't simply find one has utterly nailed it again....
From a spectator perspective, they should have kept the cars as they were in 2021 and had another season.
g4ry13 said:
Jasandjules said:
romft123 said:
Max was 3 seconds ahead of second place after 4 laps, 6 seconds ahead after 7. Thats just incredible. Just HTF can anyone get near that
They can't. That Red Bull is 1-2 seconds a lap faster than the best of the rest. We are not going to see any racing until 2026, assuming that temas diverge and we don't simply find one has utterly nailed it again....
From a spectator perspective, they should have kept the cars as they were in 2021 and had another season.
Sainz jumping into the second Red Bull would spice things up but they've been team mates before and Max had the measure of Carlos.
P2 onwards is pretty tight this season.
Bo_apex said:
Max is proving to be Schumacher-esq in extracting the maximum from his car with metronomic style.
Sainz jumping into the second Red Bull would spice things up but they've been team mates before and Max had the measure of Carlos.
P2 onwards is pretty tight this season.
Yes, it's currently quite similar to the Schumacher dominance seasons. Significant car advantage and subservient number two journeyman in the second car.Sainz jumping into the second Red Bull would spice things up but they've been team mates before and Max had the measure of Carlos.
P2 onwards is pretty tight this season.
Not sure whether the Verstappen and the Sainz families can happily exist in the same team. Punchy Jos didn't like having them around very much last time. They'd be a good pairing if they could work together, Carlos doesn't quite have the ultimate pace of MV but would be a solid and reliable backup, plus perhaps occasionally we might even get a bit of racing, if Red Bull would let them do it.
Bo_apex said:
g4ry13 said:
Jasandjules said:
romft123 said:
Max was 3 seconds ahead of second place after 4 laps, 6 seconds ahead after 7. Thats just incredible. Just HTF can anyone get near that
They can't. That Red Bull is 1-2 seconds a lap faster than the best of the rest. We are not going to see any racing until 2026, assuming that temas diverge and we don't simply find one has utterly nailed it again....
From a spectator perspective, they should have kept the cars as they were in 2021 and had another season.
Sainz jumping into the second Red Bull would spice things up but they've been team mates before and Max had the measure of Carlos.
P2 onwards is pretty tight this season.
Maybe Carlos has improved significantly to his performance in 2015 and the gap would now be closer between the two.
Either way, Carlos isn't going to Red Bull.
g4ry13 said:
We might see some racing towards the end of next season. Then the gap will become huge again the following season with the reg changes. Much like what happened in 2021 when Max won the first championship.
From a spectator perspective, they should have kept the cars as they were in 2021 and had another season.
The YouTube video earlier showed just how complex the ICE, GEN and BAT are going to be, couple that with variable aero rather than DRS and these cars are likely to be monsters to drive and return to back-markers being lapped several time.From a spectator perspective, they should have kept the cars as they were in 2021 and had another season.
If drivers can actually manage them, it should reward skilled drivers, rather than the best design team.
TheDeuce said:
HardtopManual said:
heebeegeetee said:
https://youtu.be/iy8p3XkVpto?si=nhOp6KR2ZKAQbb7E&a... Imola 2005, fabulous performance.
I feel quite sad watching that. In the modern era, those laps-long battles are replaced with a simple DRS pass at the end of a straight.Then there's the noise.
ETA: I agree about the noise
rdjohn said:
g4ry13 said:
We might see some racing towards the end of next season. Then the gap will become huge again the following season with the reg changes. Much like what happened in 2021 when Max won the first championship.
From a spectator perspective, they should have kept the cars as they were in 2021 and had another season.
The YouTube video earlier showed just how complex the ICE, GEN and BAT are going to be, couple that with variable aero rather than DRS and these cars are likely to be monsters to drive and return to back-markers being lapped several time.From a spectator perspective, they should have kept the cars as they were in 2021 and had another season.
If drivers can actually manage them, it should reward skilled drivers, rather than the best design team.
Personally I'd like to see less complexity, not more. Every layer of technology seems to take something away from the racing, to be replaced by some sticking plaster gimmick when people complain that the racing is more boring than ever.
thegreenhell said:
By the sounds of it, it will reward skilled button pushers who have the best team of engineers behind them telling them which buttons to push.
Personally I'd like to see less complexity, not more. Every layer of technology seems to take something away from the racing, to be replaced by some sticking plaster gimmick when people complain that the racing is more boring than ever.
The problem is two fold:Personally I'd like to see less complexity, not more. Every layer of technology seems to take something away from the racing, to be replaced by some sticking plaster gimmick when people complain that the racing is more boring than ever.
1) You can't put the genie back in the bottle
2) If you clip F1 speeds and pace then you need to neuter F2,F3, etc as F1 has to be the fastest.
Personally:
1) even less aero
2) gearboxes with clutches (I'd allow for an interlock that prevents a catastrophic downshift) but put some more variables back to the driver. Would probably mean a drop to 6 speed boxes and then allow them to pick ratios per track
3) tyre war? maybe
4) refuelling - part of me says yes, part no...
g4ry13 said:
romft123 said:
Max was 3 seconds ahead of second place after 4 laps, 6 seconds ahead after 7. Thats just incredible. Just HTF can anyone get near that
When safety car period came to an end he was pulling about a second gap within the first sector. The early gap that Verstappen opened up was due to Alonso holding up Perez then Norris, the latter 2 being fairly evenly matched in pace actually over the race with Perez being around 0.5s a lap slower than his team-mate (a tad embarassing that but it wasn't the largest pace gap between team-mates in the race either).
Verstappen was mostly around 0.4-0.5s a lap faster (probably the lower end of that in the 2nd stint and the higher end in the first) over Norris once he was past Alonso and later after the pit stops where their pace would have been broadly comparable.
Edited by isaldiri on Monday 22 April 17:38
Jasandjules said:
romft123 said:
Max was 3 seconds ahead of second place after 4 laps, 6 seconds ahead after 7. Thats just incredible. Just HTF can anyone get near that
They can't. That Red Bull is 1-2 seconds a lap faster than the best of the rest. We are not going to see any racing until 2026, assuming that temas diverge and we don't simply find one has utterly nailed it again....
jm doc said:
Jasandjules said:
romft123 said:
Max was 3 seconds ahead of second place after 4 laps, 6 seconds ahead after 7. Thats just incredible. Just HTF can anyone get near that
They can't. That Red Bull is 1-2 seconds a lap faster than the best of the rest. We are not going to see any racing until 2026, assuming that temas diverge and we don't simply find one has utterly nailed it again....
vaud said:
The problem is two fold:
1) You can't put the genie back in the bottle
2) If you clip F1 speeds and pace then you need to neuter F2,F3, etc as F1 has to be the fastest.
Personally:
1) even less aero
2) gearboxes with clutches (I'd allow for an interlock that prevents a catastrophic downshift) but put some more variables back to the driver. Would probably mean a drop to 6 speed boxes and then allow them to pick ratios per track
3) tyre war? maybe
4) refuelling - part of me says yes, part no...
They don't need to make them slower, just less complex. The current cars aren't actually any faster than any from the last 20 or so years because the regulations always artificially peg them back to that sort of level, and that will likely continue forevermore due to the circuits they race on and the frailty of the human bodies that have to pilot the cars.1) You can't put the genie back in the bottle
2) If you clip F1 speeds and pace then you need to neuter F2,F3, etc as F1 has to be the fastest.
Personally:
1) even less aero
2) gearboxes with clutches (I'd allow for an interlock that prevents a catastrophic downshift) but put some more variables back to the driver. Would probably mean a drop to 6 speed boxes and then allow them to pick ratios per track
3) tyre war? maybe
4) refuelling - part of me says yes, part no...
The next generation cars look to be even more of a techno w
kfest than the current ones, which will place even more importance on the design and engineering teams and less on the drivers. There will simply be more needless systems like active aero and all the hybrid battery management that need to be optimised, and I can easily see another 2014 or 2022 scenario where one team aces it and others fk it up. They will all then spend the next five or six years trying to catch up within the limited budget and development they are allowed now until the rules all change again and somebody else takes their turn to dominate for a while. Forester1965 said:
It's the artificial juxtaposition of having to electrify the cars to placate the manufacturers whilst not going full electric because the technology isn't there to drive a GP distance and the silence would be wk.
In which case let's just have ICE and drop the pretence.
It's very clear that F1 has begun and is continuing the lengthy process of electrifying the cars, the end goal will certainly be fully electric.k. In which case let's just have ICE and drop the pretence.
That can't happen yet due to battery technology, but they're already increasing the electric side considerably from 2026 onwards - and with scope for more.
Rapid recharging is also an area of fast development (in the transport world at large, not in F1) but will probably soon enough make it possible to recharge a racing cars battery in seconds, so not dissimilar to 're-fuelling'. F1 will probably remain around a decade behind road car powertrains, so they won't be fully electric for quite some time. It's bound to happen though.
TheDeuce said:
It's very clear that F1 has begun and is continuing the lengthy process of electrifying the cars, the end goal will certainly be fully electric.
That can't happen yet due to battery technology, but they're already increasing the electric side considerably from 2026 onwards - and with scope for more.
Rapid recharging is also an area of fast development (in the transport world at large, not in F1) but will probably soon enough make it possible to recharge a racing cars battery in seconds, so not dissimilar to 're-fuelling'. F1 will probably remain around a decade behind road car powertrains, so they won't be fully electric for quite some time. It's bound to happen though.
I hope I'm dead by then.That can't happen yet due to battery technology, but they're already increasing the electric side considerably from 2026 onwards - and with scope for more.
Rapid recharging is also an area of fast development (in the transport world at large, not in F1) but will probably soon enough make it possible to recharge a racing cars battery in seconds, so not dissimilar to 're-fuelling'. F1 will probably remain around a decade behind road car powertrains, so they won't be fully electric for quite some time. It's bound to happen though.
paulguitar said:
TheDeuce said:
It's very clear that F1 has begun and is continuing the lengthy process of electrifying the cars, the end goal will certainly be fully electric.
That can't happen yet due to battery technology, but they're already increasing the electric side considerably from 2026 onwards - and with scope for more.
Rapid recharging is also an area of fast development (in the transport world at large, not in F1) but will probably soon enough make it possible to recharge a racing cars battery in seconds, so not dissimilar to 're-fuelling'. F1 will probably remain around a decade behind road car powertrains, so they won't be fully electric for quite some time. It's bound to happen though.
I hope I'm dead by then.That can't happen yet due to battery technology, but they're already increasing the electric side considerably from 2026 onwards - and with scope for more.
Rapid recharging is also an area of fast development (in the transport world at large, not in F1) but will probably soon enough make it possible to recharge a racing cars battery in seconds, so not dissimilar to 're-fuelling'. F1 will probably remain around a decade behind road car powertrains, so they won't be fully electric for quite some time. It's bound to happen though.
paulguitar said:
Bo_apex said:
Max is proving to be Schumacher-esq in extracting the maximum from his car with metronomic style.
Sainz jumping into the second Red Bull would spice things up but they've been team mates before and Max had the measure of Carlos.
P2 onwards is pretty tight this season.
Yes, it's currently quite similar to the Schumacher dominance seasons. Significant car advantage and subservient number two journeyman in the second car.Sainz jumping into the second Red Bull would spice things up but they've been team mates before and Max had the measure of Carlos.
P2 onwards is pretty tight this season.
Forester1965 said:
It's the artificial juxtaposition of having to electrify the cars to placate the manufacturers whilst not going full electric because the technology isn't there to drive a GP distance and the silence would be wk.
In which case let's just have ICE and drop the pretence.
Agree.k. In which case let's just have ICE and drop the pretence.
Otherwise F1 will evolve into something truly exciting like FE.
V10's would also reduce the budgets.
China lap record still held by MSC in a V10 ? Such is progress
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