Official 2024 Chinese Grand Prix Thread ***SPOILERS***

Official 2024 Chinese Grand Prix Thread ***SPOILERS***

Poll: Official 2024 Chinese Grand Prix Thread ***SPOILERS***

Total Members Polled: 92

Perez: 32%
Leclerc: 9%
Sainz: 35%
Russell: 1%
Hamilton: 8%
Norris: 14%
Piastri: 1%
Alonso: 1%
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Bo_apex

2,568 posts

219 months

Monday 22nd April
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g4ry13 said:
Bo_apex said:
g4ry13 said:
Jasandjules said:
romft123 said:
Max was 3 seconds ahead of second place after 4 laps, 6 seconds ahead after 7. Thats just incredible. Just HTF can anyone get near that
They can't. That Red Bull is 1-2 seconds a lap faster than the best of the rest.

We are not going to see any racing until 2026, assuming that temas diverge and we don't simply find one has utterly nailed it again....
We might see some racing towards the end of next season. Then the gap will become huge again the following season with the reg changes. Much like what happened in 2021 when Max won the first championship.

From a spectator perspective, they should have kept the cars as they were in 2021 and had another season.
Max is proving to be Schumacher-esq in extracting the maximum from his car with metronomic style.

Sainz jumping into the second Red Bull would spice things up but they've been team mates before and Max had the measure of Carlos.

P2 onwards is pretty tight this season.
It's been 9 years since they were teammates. Both drivers have obviously developed in that timeframe.

Maybe Carlos has improved significantly to his performance in 2015 and the gap would now be closer between the two.

Either way, Carlos isn't going to Red Bull.
Carlos has certainly upped his game recently.


Nova Gyna

1,129 posts

27 months

Monday 22nd April
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g4ry13 said:
We might see some racing towards the end of next season. Then the gap will become huge again the following season with the reg changes. Much like what happened in 2021 when Max won the first championship.

From a spectator perspective, they should have kept the cars as they were in 2021 and had another season.
Completely agree - especially the bit in bold.

Imagine how much more enjoyable the last couple of years would have been if they'd carried on in the same vein as the 2021 season.

The FIA reminds me of what George Lucas did with Star Wars: kept fixing it until it was broken.

paulguitar

23,506 posts

114 months

Monday 22nd April
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TheDeuce said:
paulguitar said:
TheDeuce said:
It's very clear that F1 has begun and is continuing the lengthy process of electrifying the cars, the end goal will certainly be fully electric.

That can't happen yet due to battery technology, but they're already increasing the electric side considerably from 2026 onwards - and with scope for more.

Rapid recharging is also an area of fast development (in the transport world at large, not in F1) but will probably soon enough make it possible to recharge a racing cars battery in seconds, so not dissimilar to 're-fuelling'. F1 will probably remain around a decade behind road car powertrains, so they won't be fully electric for quite some time. It's bound to happen though.
I hope I'm dead by then.
I expect F1 cars will still have engines until at least 2040. Is that long enough to get ones affairs in order?
Well, I'd like to live quite a bit longer than that, ideally. Maybe by then, I will have come to accept electric F1.

Hustle_

24,724 posts

161 months

Monday 22nd April
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Nova Gyna said:
g4ry13 said:
We might see some racing towards the end of next season. Then the gap will become huge again the following season with the reg changes. Much like what happened in 2021 when Max won the first championship.

From a spectator perspective, they should have kept the cars as they were in 2021 and had another season.
Completely agree - especially the bit in bold.

Imagine how much more enjoyable the last couple of years would have been if they'd carried on in the same vein as the 2021 season.

The FIA reminds me of what George Lucas did with Star Wars: kept fixing it until it was broken.
Don't mention the fix!

Forester1965

1,532 posts

4 months

Monday 22nd April
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Bo_apex said:
Carlos has certainly upped his game recently.
2nd best in China, though.

Nova Gyna

1,129 posts

27 months

Monday 22nd April
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Hustle_ said:
Nova Gyna said:
g4ry13 said:
We might see some racing towards the end of next season. Then the gap will become huge again the following season with the reg changes. Much like what happened in 2021 when Max won the first championship.

From a spectator perspective, they should have kept the cars as they were in 2021 and had another season.
Completely agree - especially the bit in bold.

Imagine how much more enjoyable the last couple of years would have been if they'd carried on in the same vein as the 2021 season.

The FIA reminds me of what George Lucas did with Star Wars: kept fixing it until it was broken.
Don't mention the fix!
hehe

TheDeuce

21,696 posts

67 months

Monday 22nd April
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paulguitar said:
TheDeuce said:
paulguitar said:
TheDeuce said:
It's very clear that F1 has begun and is continuing the lengthy process of electrifying the cars, the end goal will certainly be fully electric.

That can't happen yet due to battery technology, but they're already increasing the electric side considerably from 2026 onwards - and with scope for more.

Rapid recharging is also an area of fast development (in the transport world at large, not in F1) but will probably soon enough make it possible to recharge a racing cars battery in seconds, so not dissimilar to 're-fuelling'. F1 will probably remain around a decade behind road car powertrains, so they won't be fully electric for quite some time. It's bound to happen though.
I hope I'm dead by then.
I expect F1 cars will still have engines until at least 2040. Is that long enough to get ones affairs in order?
Well, I'd like to live quite a bit longer than that, ideally. Maybe by then, I will have come to accept electric F1.
I'm just stating what I see as inevitable, I don't personally care if they end up electric. My ideal would be v10's again!! But that's just not going to happen.

And given the current engines already sound crap and are soon to be nearly half electric anyway... I really don't mind when they go the whole hog.

There are other aspects of modern F1 that are testing my commitment to the sport more than what powers the cars..

732NM

4,559 posts

16 months

Monday 22nd April
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Jasandjules said:
Are we really not mentioning Alonso's save?!?!? That was all kinds of awesome and I bet Carlos will be watchin the onboards!!
Shouldn't have put a wheel off there in the first place.

NRS

22,195 posts

202 months

Monday 22nd April
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g4ry13 said:
We might see some racing towards the end of next season. Then the gap will become huge again the following season with the reg changes. Much like what happened in 2021 when Max won the first championship.

From a spectator perspective, they should have kept the cars as they were in 2021 and had another season.
We absolutely won’t, there is no way that RB will give up such a huge pace advantage in a season with no real rule change. Particularly with the financial limitations on development. They just artificially stop development each season slowing down the time we take until the cars converge and we actually get racing.

TheDeuce

21,696 posts

67 months

Monday 22nd April
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NRS said:
g4ry13 said:
We might see some racing towards the end of next season. Then the gap will become huge again the following season with the reg changes. Much like what happened in 2021 when Max won the first championship.

From a spectator perspective, they should have kept the cars as they were in 2021 and had another season.
We absolutely won’t, there is no way that RB will give up such a huge pace advantage in a season with no real rule change. Particularly with the financial limitations on development. They just artificially stop development each season slowing down the time we take until the cars converge and we actually get racing.
Agree. The days of catching up to the point of near convergence are gone, there simply isn't the money to move that quickly anymore.

Whoever nails the PU design in 2026 is likely to have a baked in advantage for that era too.


Mr Tidy

22,401 posts

128 months

Monday 22nd April
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TheDeuce said:
Byker28i said:
Mr Tidy said:
But Lando was impressive, and George did better than Lewis - again! Probably mainly because Alonso didn't manage to catch up with him.
Did George shine this weekend? Hamilton almost caught him up after cocking up qualifying.
In fairness, George got as high up the order as he realistically could, the cars ahead were all simply faster.

Lewis, due to his own quali fk up, definitely had more work to do - and did it.

Both did all they could be expected to do this weekend imo.
Yes, that was probably the best they could expect TBF.

Lewis messed up Quali for the race and managed to get points, George did the same for the sprint!

ajprice

27,513 posts

197 months

Tuesday 23rd April
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hehe

BrettMRC

4,105 posts

161 months

Tuesday 23rd April
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Took me a minute!

hehe

farm

150 posts

53 months

Tuesday 23rd April
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1958 Silverstone. Refueling and a jug of oil

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vvb7n7CwgMM

Eric Mc

122,053 posts

266 months

Tuesday 23rd April
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farm said:
1958 Silverstone. Refueling and a jug of oil

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vvb7n7CwgMM
Those were the days.

Jasandjules

69,924 posts

230 months

Tuesday 23rd April
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732NM said:
Jasandjules said:
Are we really not mentioning Alonso's save?!?!? That was all kinds of awesome and I bet Carlos will be watchin the onboards!!
Shouldn't have put a wheel off there in the first place.
True. But it was still one hell of a catch....

MustangGT

11,641 posts

281 months

Tuesday 23rd April
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Bo_apex said:
V10's would also reduce the budgets.
Just one small problem with this, much though we would like it, is that there are no manufacturers willing to waste multi-millions on an engine that has no relevance to road cars.

paulguitar

23,506 posts

114 months

Tuesday 23rd April
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MustangGT said:
Bo_apex said:
V10's would also reduce the budgets.
Just one small problem with this, much though we would like it, is that there are no manufacturers willing to waste multi-millions on an engine that has no relevance to road cars.
F1 has really messed up here. Formula One cars should be completely road-irrelevant. As irrelevant as possible.

thegreenhell

15,401 posts

220 months

Tuesday 23rd April
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MustangGT said:
Bo_apex said:
V10's would also reduce the budgets.
Just one small problem with this, much though we would like it, is that there are no manufacturers willing to waste multi-millions on an engine that has no relevance to road cars.
Why does this matter? There are racing V10s available off the shelf already. No OEM would be required to spend hundreds of millions developing one. No F1 engine has ever had any relevance to road cars until they tried to use it as an excuse for the current monstrosities.

TheDeuce

21,696 posts

67 months

Tuesday 23rd April
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paulguitar said:
MustangGT said:
Bo_apex said:
V10's would also reduce the budgets.
Just one small problem with this, much though we would like it, is that there are no manufacturers willing to waste multi-millions on an engine that has no relevance to road cars.
F1 has really messed up here. Formula One cars should be completely road-irrelevant. As irrelevant as possible.
F1 became worth billions by courting the manufacturers desire to take part and spend huge amounts of money doing so, to create the cars and the show that it soon became.

I think commercially, that's the opposite of screwing up.