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Muzzer79 said:
The state of the sport has nothing to do with Verstappen or Hamilton.
Kevin Magnussen could be winning every race and it'd still be dull as hell.
Oh, I agree with you. But when the situation was the same with Hamilton, with the dominant split turbo engine, you British were not complaining ;-)Kevin Magnussen could be winning every race and it'd still be dull as hell.
By the way, just look at the qualy lap gaps this year, they have been the smallest in the history of F1. Therefore, it shows the brilliance and outstanding talent of Verstappen.
Edited by Kart16 on Wednesday 17th April 09:20
Blink982 said:
How many drivers out of 19 benefitted by Masi throwing the rule book out of the window?
If you have read the rule book yourself, you would see that there is an article that says that “the race director has total authority to change procedures during safety car….”. ;-)This conspiracy theory was created by Sky F1 UK and spread out. The matter of fact is that Lewis lost the race when Mercedes decided to keep track position instead of getting new tyres.
Muzzer79 said:
Kart16 said:
Well, I’m a big Verstappen fan. I met him during his karting times and saw him clinching 2 European championships and one world championship on KF and KZ, on the same year! People judge him by his interviews wrongly. The matter of fact is that kid has a good heart.
On the other hand I don’t like Hamilton so I kinda enjoy watching the Hamelletes whining.
The state of the sport has nothing to do with Verstappen or Hamilton.On the other hand I don’t like Hamilton so I kinda enjoy watching the Hamelletes whining.
Kevin Magnussen could be winning every race and it'd still be dull as hell.
Today, Max has no competition whatsoever. I’m no fan of his but it’s not his fault. Again if he was scrapping throughout the season for his last two tittles (and appears will likely be his 4th) and emerged as champion then happy days. The only jeopardy he faces is basically reliability.
I was on holiday in Japan and got to the Grand Prix. It was a great day, better weather than expected. Japanese fans in their teams gear adding to the atmosphere… great people watching. As usual though… it was all about what happened well behind Max. Yes, Hamilton had days like that not, not whole seasons.
It is what it is now. It’s up to the other teams to build better cars. With the current rules, Newey already had the keys to the kingdom. He just had to dust off his old notes and here we are.
Forester1965 said:
You're either being disingenuous or don't understand the sport.
And you have this conspiracy theory stuck in your head. Read the FIA rule book, the race director has the authority to change procedures during safety car. When Latifi crashed, there were many laps under safety car. Both Horner and Weatley from Red Bull asked the race director when the backmarkers would be allowed to overtake the safety car. Masi responded “I will do, but I need to make sure the track is clear…”. During all these many safety car laps, Mercedes could have pitted, but decided not to do it. They gambled and they failed.All that is pretty clear in the “radio rewind” video from F1 YouTube.
Kart16 said:
If you have read the rule book yourself, you would see that there is an article that says that “the race director has total authority to change procedures during safety car….”. ;-)
This conspiracy theory was created by Sky F1 UK and spread out. The matter of fact is that Lewis lost the race when Mercedes decided to keep track position instead of getting new tyres.
“Sky F1 UK” and others were strangely silent in the immediate aftermath. Let me guess, you normally watch on Ziggo Sports. Figures.This conspiracy theory was created by Sky F1 UK and spread out. The matter of fact is that Lewis lost the race when Mercedes decided to keep track position instead of getting new tyres.
They couldn't have pitted without losing track position to Verstappen. Had Masi then followed the rules (your assertion that he had discretion to change the rules at will is wrong), there would have been no further racing and Hamilton would've been trapped behind Verstappen with no opportunity to pass.
What Mercedes did was the right approach assuming the rules were followed. Masi's previous behaviour gave no rise to the idea they wouldn't be.
Now let's stop clogging the thread with purposely trolling nonsense about AD21. If you're bored go and play out somewhere.
What Mercedes did was the right approach assuming the rules were followed. Masi's previous behaviour gave no rise to the idea they wouldn't be.
Now let's stop clogging the thread with purposely trolling nonsense about AD21. If you're bored go and play out somewhere.
If there was a 'Quote whole thread' button, but for those that try to drag personalities into the this discussion and some puerile name-calling, I would probably punch it and say "ditto".
I have been watching since the 70's but for many of the same reasons given here, I am slowly, but surely having my enjoyment diminished.
I cancelled Sky because of a) the cost and b) the crass 'show' and dreadful commentating by certain members of the team.
I have switched to F1TV which provides a 'purer' coverage, but even here I am seeing more 'show' creeping into the presentation.
As for F1, I will stick with it this year, albeit with a bit more 'chase' watching, but with the fervent hope that next year, with some significant driver movement/changes, will bring more enjoyable viewing. The same driver winning everything is never good for a sport, even when that driver may be your favourite.
Like all true F1 fans, it's never been just about teams and drivers. For me it's also very much about what goes on behind; understanding the engine and chassis technology, aero concepts, tyres, race strategy, mistakes, successes etc etc.
I make no apology for being a huge British fan and of the few champions we have had down the years. I just love and enjoy the sport, whoever wins. But even I started to get slightly embarrassed by repetitive wins as far back as '92 and whilst I sang Lewis Hamilton's praises during his 7 very enjoyable WDCs, that also felt terribly awkward at times, because of the likely effect it was having on the enjoyment for fans of other teams and drivers.
This and last year have taken that feeling to another level and I fear for the long-term future of the sport if it continues. Yes, it was similar during the Mercedes era, but there was often stiffer competition for race wins by both Merc drivers and occasionally others, which kept the interest levels up. We just don't have that now to any great extent. Although Carlos might have something to say about that - hopefully!
I am ever the optimist and always look forward to the new season. '25 and particularly '26 will be a crucial test of that optimism. Here's to a revitalisation of our sport in '26, so that we can truly enjoy it as we have in the past.
I have been watching since the 70's but for many of the same reasons given here, I am slowly, but surely having my enjoyment diminished.
I cancelled Sky because of a) the cost and b) the crass 'show' and dreadful commentating by certain members of the team.
I have switched to F1TV which provides a 'purer' coverage, but even here I am seeing more 'show' creeping into the presentation.
As for F1, I will stick with it this year, albeit with a bit more 'chase' watching, but with the fervent hope that next year, with some significant driver movement/changes, will bring more enjoyable viewing. The same driver winning everything is never good for a sport, even when that driver may be your favourite.
Like all true F1 fans, it's never been just about teams and drivers. For me it's also very much about what goes on behind; understanding the engine and chassis technology, aero concepts, tyres, race strategy, mistakes, successes etc etc.
I make no apology for being a huge British fan and of the few champions we have had down the years. I just love and enjoy the sport, whoever wins. But even I started to get slightly embarrassed by repetitive wins as far back as '92 and whilst I sang Lewis Hamilton's praises during his 7 very enjoyable WDCs, that also felt terribly awkward at times, because of the likely effect it was having on the enjoyment for fans of other teams and drivers.
This and last year have taken that feeling to another level and I fear for the long-term future of the sport if it continues. Yes, it was similar during the Mercedes era, but there was often stiffer competition for race wins by both Merc drivers and occasionally others, which kept the interest levels up. We just don't have that now to any great extent. Although Carlos might have something to say about that - hopefully!
I am ever the optimist and always look forward to the new season. '25 and particularly '26 will be a crucial test of that optimism. Here's to a revitalisation of our sport in '26, so that we can truly enjoy it as we have in the past.
Blink982 said:
“Sky F1 UK” and others were strangely silent in the immediate aftermath. Let me guess, you normally watch on Ziggo Sports. Figures.
It was Ted Kravitz who started it in the following days. I watch Sky F1 UK ;-). I tried the Sky F1 Italia and BAND, but I can’t explain why I prefer the English language when it comes to watching Motorsport.
Kart16 said:
Well, I’m a big Verstappen fan. I met him during his karting times and saw him clinching 2 European championships and one world championship on KF and KZ, on the same year! People judge him by his interviews wrongly. The matter of fact is that kid has a good heart.
On the other hand I don’t like Hamilton so I kinda enjoy watching the Hamelletes whining.
...Aaand there goes another thread.On the other hand I don’t like Hamilton so I kinda enjoy watching the Hamelletes whining.
Congratulations, exactly what you wanted to happen
Kart16 said:
Well, I’m a big Verstappen fan. I met him during his karting times and saw him clinching 2 European championships and one world championship on KF and KZ, on the same year! People judge him by his interviews wrongly. The matter of fact is that kid has a good heart.
On the other hand I don’t like Hamilton so I kinda enjoy watching the Hamelletes whining.
And this is what's wrong with F1 these days, tribalism. The thread was about F1 not two personalities but this guy comes in with his personal prejudices and kicks off the whole tribal football supporter attitude. He could have stopped at his first comment, simply telling us that he likes Max but, nope he wants to stir the sOn the other hand I don’t like Hamilton so I kinda enjoy watching the Hamelletes whining.
t too! Knob. 
"Ah'm oot", as Bannatyne would say.
I’ll add that the mindless partisanship that has crept in to F1 among many fans is one of the reasons why my enjoyment of the sport has declined.
If you think about it for a moment, only one driver and team will win each weekend. There are 21 others who won’t win and may never win. To base your enjoyment of the sport entirely based on the results of one driver seems a little silly to me. I’m not saying you shouldn’t support a driver, but so many discussions get reduced down to Hamilton vs Verstappen fans. It is tiresome and childish.
It is possible (or at least it should be ) to support a driver and criticise him and it should be possible to praise a driver you don’t support but F1 discussions sadly, all to often descend in to partisanship.
If you think about it for a moment, only one driver and team will win each weekend. There are 21 others who won’t win and may never win. To base your enjoyment of the sport entirely based on the results of one driver seems a little silly to me. I’m not saying you shouldn’t support a driver, but so many discussions get reduced down to Hamilton vs Verstappen fans. It is tiresome and childish.
It is possible (or at least it should be ) to support a driver and criticise him and it should be possible to praise a driver you don’t support but F1 discussions sadly, all to often descend in to partisanship.
Forester1965 said:
They couldn't have pitted without losing track position to Verstappen. Had Masi then followed the rules (your assertion that he had discretion to change the rules at will is wrong), there would have been no further racing and Hamilton would've been trapped behind Verstappen with no opportunity to pass.
What Mercedes did was the right approach assuming the rules were followed. Masi's previous behaviour gave no rise to the idea they wouldn't be.
Now let's stop clogging the thread with purposely trolling nonsense about AD21. If you're bored go and play out somewhere.
Article 15.3 of the FIA regulations:What Mercedes did was the right approach assuming the rules were followed. Masi's previous behaviour gave no rise to the idea they wouldn't be.
Now let's stop clogging the thread with purposely trolling nonsense about AD21. If you're bored go and play out somewhere.
https://www.fia.com/sites/default/files/2022_formu...
Kart16 said:
If you have read the rule book yourself, you would see that there is an article that says that “the race director has total authority to change procedures during safety car….”. ;-)
This conspiracy theory was created by Sky F1 UK and spread out. The matter of fact is that Lewis lost the race when Mercedes decided to keep track position instead of getting new tyres.
You are a troll.This conspiracy theory was created by Sky F1 UK and spread out. The matter of fact is that Lewis lost the race when Mercedes decided to keep track position instead of getting new tyres.
You are making s
t up, even your quote.You know absolutely nothing about F1 and don’t care for sporting integrity.
Well done.
Kart16 said:
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