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Kart16 said:
Assuming the rules in force at the time were of the same wording, the regulation you quote regards the decision whether to use the safety car, not how to use it.Taken on your interpretation, it would mean the race director could decide arbitrarily to do anything with the safety car that they like. The teams would have no certainty over procedure and it would become a lottery. It's a nonsensical interpretation.
MCBrowncoat said:
Kart16 said:
Well, I’m a big Verstappen fan. I met him during his karting times and saw him clinching 2 European championships and one world championship on KF and KZ, on the same year! People judge him by his interviews wrongly. The matter of fact is that kid has a good heart.
On the other hand I don’t like Hamilton so I kinda enjoy watching the Hamelletes whining.
...Aaand there goes another thread.On the other hand I don’t like Hamilton so I kinda enjoy watching the Hamelletes whining.
Ah now it makes more sense why kart16 is trolling on here.
Anyway... for me I have been watching since I was a kid in the 80s. All about Mansell. Up at 4 or 5 at the start of the season for Australia, it felt magic.
I tuned out for some of the Schumacher years and the alonso years but came back. I lost some interest in the latest turbo era especially after 2018 it just wasn't doing it for me any more. I switched to put more focus on motogp moto2 moto3 and some other sports like triathlon.
During the pandemic I started to take more of an interest in f1 again but like previous periods the monotony is there, Masi put a dent in my confidence and it feels like a less authentic sport. Tons of races, the sprint, tracks that aren't interesting with cars that aren't as exciting as they were and the certainty about the front of the field just doesn't give me a spark. I would think with all the computing and modelling of scenarios makes for more certainty as well. When I compare that to the other racing I watch it just doesn't cut it.
I speak for myself but maybe others can relate, I have some hope inside I can find that old magic with f1 which makes it hard to totally put down. They don't get any money out of me any more maybe other than the highlights on yt being watched. Sports and businesses do have to move with the times but it feels like an especially big juicy cash cow, chasing a new group of customers but I would think losing a core part of the audience might be a small price to pay!
I can go on YouTube and watch a live feed of sports cars or some karting from whilton Mill or goodwood for free. They have competition for eyes in other places too now.
Anyway... for me I have been watching since I was a kid in the 80s. All about Mansell. Up at 4 or 5 at the start of the season for Australia, it felt magic.
I tuned out for some of the Schumacher years and the alonso years but came back. I lost some interest in the latest turbo era especially after 2018 it just wasn't doing it for me any more. I switched to put more focus on motogp moto2 moto3 and some other sports like triathlon.
During the pandemic I started to take more of an interest in f1 again but like previous periods the monotony is there, Masi put a dent in my confidence and it feels like a less authentic sport. Tons of races, the sprint, tracks that aren't interesting with cars that aren't as exciting as they were and the certainty about the front of the field just doesn't give me a spark. I would think with all the computing and modelling of scenarios makes for more certainty as well. When I compare that to the other racing I watch it just doesn't cut it.
I speak for myself but maybe others can relate, I have some hope inside I can find that old magic with f1 which makes it hard to totally put down. They don't get any money out of me any more maybe other than the highlights on yt being watched. Sports and businesses do have to move with the times but it feels like an especially big juicy cash cow, chasing a new group of customers but I would think losing a core part of the audience might be a small price to pay!
I can go on YouTube and watch a live feed of sports cars or some karting from whilton Mill or goodwood for free. They have competition for eyes in other places too now.
Kart16 said:
CoolHands said:
Same since the cheating 2021 finale. And also the ground effect thing sucks, they should go back to normal aero.
There was no cheating. Hamilton lost when Mercedes decided to maintain track position with old tyres. Kart has as short a memory as Masi, which is alarming.
Kart16 said:
Muzzer79 said:
The state of the sport has nothing to do with Verstappen or Hamilton.
Kevin Magnussen could be winning every race and it'd still be dull as hell.
Oh, I agree with you. But when the situation was the same with Hamilton, with the dominant split turbo engine, you British were not complaining ;-)Kevin Magnussen could be winning every race and it'd still be dull as hell.
By the way, just look at the qualy lap gaps this year, they have been the smallest in the history of F1. Therefore, it shows the brilliance and outstanding talent of Verstappen.
Edited by Kart16 on Wednesday 17th April 09:20
//sarcasm I stopped watching all races live when they moved to Sky, originally of course it was in part then in full. I didn’t have Sky at the time so couldn’t bolt on F1 so the annual cost didn’t appeal.
I still watch the highlights on Channel 4 although I often time shift them by recording them.
Abi Dhubai 2021 was of course disheartening but did of course follow the shambles of Spa in the same year.
I admire all Red Bull have done and Max is of course a brilliant driver, but Horner and Maestrich I find unbearable.
I still watch the highlights on Channel 4 although I often time shift them by recording them.
Abi Dhubai 2021 was of course disheartening but did of course follow the shambles of Spa in the same year.
I admire all Red Bull have done and Max is of course a brilliant driver, but Horner and Maestrich I find unbearable.
Kart16 said:
Muzzer79 said:
The state of the sport has nothing to do with Verstappen or Hamilton.
Kevin Magnussen could be winning every race and it'd still be dull as hell.
Oh, I agree with you. But when the situation was the same with Hamilton, with the dominant split turbo engine, you British were not complaining ;-)Kevin Magnussen could be winning every race and it'd still be dull as hell.
And if you look back through the threads on this forum you'll find that, even amongst the British, Hamilton is not universally popular.
Muzzer79 said:
F1GTRUeno said:
The devil said:
So after watching F1 since about 1985 I’ve finally given up on it, it’s just net got any appeal any more
So you were fine with McLaren, Williams, Ferrari, Red Bull and then Mercedes dominating but now you've given up?The Mercedes era was too lengthy and, although peppered with a bit of variety (it wasn't all Hamilton) not exciting enough
The ground-effect era and cost cap was again supposed to converge the teams and create a close field. Instead, we have domination at a level not seen for 30 years.
So, to answer the question, I wasn't "fine" with McLaren, Williams, Ferrari et al dominating but my patience has now run out. I have better things to do than watch Verstappen get pole and win every week.
My routine is now to record qualifying and the race, look the result up on the news and if something interesting happens I'll watch it. If it's same-old-same-old I'll not bother.
Otispunkmeyer said:
Muzzer79 said:
F1GTRUeno said:
The devil said:
So after watching F1 since about 1985 I’ve finally given up on it, it’s just net got any appeal any more
So you were fine with McLaren, Williams, Ferrari, Red Bull and then Mercedes dominating but now you've given up?The Mercedes era was too lengthy and, although peppered with a bit of variety (it wasn't all Hamilton) not exciting enough
The ground-effect era and cost cap was again supposed to converge the teams and create a close field. Instead, we have domination at a level not seen for 30 years.
So, to answer the question, I wasn't "fine" with McLaren, Williams, Ferrari et al dominating but my patience has now run out. I have better things to do than watch Verstappen get pole and win every week.
My routine is now to record qualifying and the race, look the result up on the news and if something interesting happens I'll watch it. If it's same-old-same-old I'll not bother.
Yup, I’ve thrown in the towel on F1, started watching as a young kid in the mid 80s, last year I caught up on a few channel 4 highlights but have now completely erased F1 from viewing and news. Don’t get me wrong, as I scroll through sports news on the BBC app I will take in the headline but never open the article. Can’t be bothered.
people say F1 has always been a business which to a certain extent was true, racing teams needed to survive commercially, however, they were primarily a racing team rather than commercial set up. They existed to just race. Eg Williams (frank era), McLaren (Ron era) etc. today’s teams seem to be commercial first, they’re there to sell you something. Add to the mix the new media owners, crap FIA, questionable morals/ethics/values, undue hype/circus, expansion to s
t countries, viewing paywall, closed shop mentality, venture/capital funds, cosying up to dictators/regimes , oil money and you have a product that’s just not very attractive and as bent as a butchers hook.
On the positive side I get to have a whole weekend of doing other stuff. I wonder what the true extent of F1 viewing has been in Europe? Has there been a drop?
people say F1 has always been a business which to a certain extent was true, racing teams needed to survive commercially, however, they were primarily a racing team rather than commercial set up. They existed to just race. Eg Williams (frank era), McLaren (Ron era) etc. today’s teams seem to be commercial first, they’re there to sell you something. Add to the mix the new media owners, crap FIA, questionable morals/ethics/values, undue hype/circus, expansion to s
t countries, viewing paywall, closed shop mentality, venture/capital funds, cosying up to dictators/regimes , oil money and you have a product that’s just not very attractive and as bent as a butchers hook. On the positive side I get to have a whole weekend of doing other stuff. I wonder what the true extent of F1 viewing has been in Europe? Has there been a drop?
Edited by Boom78 on Thursday 18th April 07:15
I haven't looked at the viewing figures this year but when I looked at it last year, they aren't consistently reported from what I saw since around 2020 21. The TV figures seemed harder to find a consistent measure of and the race attendances are now reported as weekend fans, not just the Sunday. Which will be double counting individuals. I'll have another scan at some point.
White-Noise said:
I haven't looked at the viewing figures this year but when I looked at it last year, they aren't consistently reported from what I saw since around 2020 21. The TV figures seemed harder to find a consistent measure of and the race attendances are now reported as weekend fans, not just the Sunday. Which will be double counting individuals. I'll have another scan at some point.
I think the viewing numbers are stable but the audience has changed, as F1 has changed. I haven’t and won’t give up, but find qualifying more interesting than the actual racing, which is just too processional to hold my interest, so I tend to watch the highlights instead. I think I’m just out of step with it now (followed since the 1980’s), the coverage is over the top and while I like some aspects of it, such as Ted’s notebook, overall it’s just too much of a circus for a grumpy old git like me. I suspect that’s at the heart of the problem.
I mentioned in a previous thread that one fundamental difference between F1 now and F1 in previous decades is that the teams are no longer owned and run by their founders.
And that situation will never happen again - especially now that the current teams seem so antagonistic to any new outfits being allowed to join "the circus".
I think when a team (or any business for that matter) is still being run by its founder, there is a spirit and ethos (not always a wholesome ethos) about how it goes about things. Once the founder has departed the scene (which inevitably occurs in all walks of life) that spirit and ethos largely fades away and the whole thing becomes very much more corporate and financially driven.
That's where F1 is now and it is highly unlikely that we will ever have teams run and managed in the individualistic (and sometimes eccentric and erratic) styles we had in days gone by. And that certainly does make it a lot less interesting - to me at least.
And that situation will never happen again - especially now that the current teams seem so antagonistic to any new outfits being allowed to join "the circus".
I think when a team (or any business for that matter) is still being run by its founder, there is a spirit and ethos (not always a wholesome ethos) about how it goes about things. Once the founder has departed the scene (which inevitably occurs in all walks of life) that spirit and ethos largely fades away and the whole thing becomes very much more corporate and financially driven.
That's where F1 is now and it is highly unlikely that we will ever have teams run and managed in the individualistic (and sometimes eccentric and erratic) styles we had in days gone by. And that certainly does make it a lot less interesting - to me at least.
I think what Liberty has done to the sport is terrible, focussing on the razzamatazz and not the racing.
As an analogy to the layman, what do you think Liberty would do to the Summer Olympics if they somehow became owners of that sporting spectacle?
Well if F1 is anything to go by, I reckon
- Summer Olympics becomes and annual event, with semis and quarters in between
- athelete's dress up in costumes
- Diversity targets are created in the men's events
- and the running track is a loop through the town centre of the host city.
- and they hold the marathon as a night race.
That's how st they are making F1.
As an analogy to the layman, what do you think Liberty would do to the Summer Olympics if they somehow became owners of that sporting spectacle?
Well if F1 is anything to go by, I reckon
- Summer Olympics becomes and annual event, with semis and quarters in between
- athelete's dress up in costumes
- Diversity targets are created in the men's events
- and the running track is a loop through the town centre of the host city.
- and they hold the marathon as a night race.
That's how s
t they are making F1.I used to consume as much of the F1 coverage as I could, following every FP session and always tried to rearrange other things to be able to watch the races live.
Now I have ditched Sky, I don't even check FP times anymore, and only watch the highlights on C4 if I'm around, but no too bothered if I miss them. I still read a couple of the F1 websites, but I think it's more out of habit than real interest these days. I can foresee giving it up completely in the future if it carries along the road it's heading.
I'm still obsessed with cars and motorsport, and spent most of last weekend glued to the Goodwood MM livestream (with the N24 qualifiers on a second screen), which provided more action than a whole season of F1 could.
Now I have ditched Sky, I don't even check FP times anymore, and only watch the highlights on C4 if I'm around, but no too bothered if I miss them. I still read a couple of the F1 websites, but I think it's more out of habit than real interest these days. I can foresee giving it up completely in the future if it carries along the road it's heading.
I'm still obsessed with cars and motorsport, and spent most of last weekend glued to the Goodwood MM livestream (with the N24 qualifiers on a second screen), which provided more action than a whole season of F1 could.
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