Given up

[WPA]

Muzzer79 said:

What incentive do Red Bull have to give Perez an inferior car?

This is not 1988. The difference in the Red Bull is aero, not engine. Why would Red Bull make different parts for Checo?

It's not as if Max needs more help.....

In simple terms it is better for RB for Perez to be worse, from what I understand entrance fees for F1 are based on points scored, so it pays for Perez to not win and finish lower wherever possible.

[gmaz]

Is another issue that Red Bull's dominance means that the "Win on Sunday, Sell on Monday" adige no longer applies? The car manufacturers no longer win, a fizzy drink marketing company does. So, petrolheads can no longer associate their favourite brand with F1 success and vice versa.




I think the same thing happened with WRC when Loeb was so dominant. No longer the days when you could buy an Impreza, Evo, or Escort Cosworth to have that fandom and association with rally winner. Citroen never did produce a AWD turbo Xsara, and Subaru, Mitsubishi etc were not as successful so fans lost interest in the WRC and the road cars.

[732NM]

The WRC car rules that ended the requirement for using a production car as a basis under group A is what killed the homologation special road car.

Subaru and Mitsubishi still produced the Impreza STi and EVO as there was a market for those models, and they built GroupN versions for the production WRC class, but those manufacturers with no model line of AWD 2.0 turbo didn't develop one after the WRC cars were introduced.

The change was supposed to bring in more manufacturers, it didn't work and the link between the manufacturers production cars and the rally cars was broken.

[Muzzer79]

WPA said:

Muzzer79 said:

What incentive do Red Bull have to give Perez an inferior car?

This is not 1988. The difference in the Red Bull is aero, not engine. Why would Red Bull make different parts for Checo?

It's not as if Max needs more help.....

In simple terms it is better for RB for Perez to be worse, from what I understand entrance fees for F1 are based on points scored, so it pays for Perez to not win and finish lower wherever possible.

So you're suggesting that in a weigh up to have the two fastest cars and cruise to the WCC or have one quick car and another slow one so as to limit their entry cost to the championship, Red Bull are choosing the latter??

Madness

Take the idea that they're confident enough for Verstappen to win the WCC on his own out of your head (if it's there) because that is not the case.

[Sandpit Steve]

732NM said:

The WRC car rules that ended the requirement for using a production car as a basis under group A is what killed the homologation special road car.

Subaru and Mitsubishi still produced the Impreza STi and EVO as there was a market for those models, and they built GroupN versions for the production WRC class, but those manufacturers with no model line of AWD 2.0 turbo didn't develop one after the WRC cars were introduced.

The change was supposed to bring in more manufacturers, it didn't work and the link between the manufacturers production cars and the rally cars was broken.

Homologation special road cars are awesome, and the world needs more of them. How many rare but totally bonkers road cars have turned up over the years, as a result of homologation rules for racing? The only recent one that springs to mind is the GR Yaris, and there’s thousands of those out there now.

Let the customers buy the same car on Monday, that won on Sunday.

[dickymint]

Simple solution - manual gearbox and a handbrake

[Tazar]

I think the restrictions of not allowing teams who turn up for qualifying has ruined the sport. Small teams with drivers trying to make a name for themselves sometimes pulling above their weight occasionally worked miracles. Restricting to ten teams is a rubbish idea. The Andretti saga shows up the farce F1 now is. So many talented young drivers not getting the opportunities that once existed.

[MitchT]

I'm old enough to remember pre-qualifying, where some F1 teams had to pre-qualify to take part in qualifying. However, the high cost of contesting F1 these days means it is surely out of the question to develop a car and employ a team on the basis that you have a remote chance of making it into the main qualifying session once or twice in a whole season.