Lewis Hamilton G.O.A.T. ?

[Nampahc Niloc]

Derek Smith said:

ch37 said:

JayK12 said:

Great comments from Vettel - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3l7eA06gKA4

Vettel said in 1 minute 20 seconds what has taken 1000 posts of going round in circles in this one thread alone.

What does he know? There are posters on here, and social media generally, who know stuff. I mean, everything. Vettel should wind his neck in and STFU unless he's talking the same sort of rubbish that so many people do on here.

That has to be the least racing driver comment any racing driver has ever made. I hope the others look at Vettel and take note on how to to conduct themselves.

[TheDeuce]

dukeboy749r said:

Adrian W said:

Taz46 said:

Any one else agree with me that Lewis has the ability to be regarded as the greatest of all time? Seems to me he can get the car near or on the front regardless whether the cars 100 % (with the exception of the beginning of last year but let's face it the mclaren was a complete dog of a car) most talented driver on the grid my opinion, what's yours!?

Lets have this conversation in ten years time

Have we had it yet?

[CustardOnChips]

RemarkLima said:

TheAngryDog said:

Nampahc Niloc said:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/54965544

By biggest take away from that article is that there is an all party parliamentary group for Formula 1!

It is madness for him to be knighted for driving the fastest car in what is essentially a circle on a Sunday afternoon. Has April first been put back due to Covid-19?

The letter continues: "It is clear that Lewis has demonstrated his outstanding achievement in his field... He has used this and his own experience to support others and he is a credit to the United Kingdom."

He doesn't choose to live in the UK, I am unsure about his tax status, Brundle claims that Hamilton will pay a lot of tax, but either way, he does not deserve to be knighted. He has done far less than other sports stars who haven't been knighted.

What about sir Chris Hoy? And Sir Bradley Wiggins? Didn't they just ride some bikes better than everyone else? No mention of charity, changing the world or other works - just services to cycling, or services to sport.

Seems that flying the British flag is the main requirement to me?

Or Murray for just hitting a ball to another person. Who was knighted for pretty much winning one tournament and an Olympic medal. He also has the personality of a dead fish.

Sir Mo has it even easier. All he's done is run round in circles.

[williamp]

Moss got the knighthood for being, well Moss..

This is what I think will happen. He'll get his knighthood, but before then Kier and the labour party will stir the pot saying that he should get it, and its only that he's black is the reason Boris hasnt given him one. Even though its a New years honour, and its only November..

[vdn]

williamp said:

Moss got the knighthood for being, well Moss..

This is what I think will happen. He'll get his knighthood, but before then Kier and the labour party will stir the pot saying that he should get it, and its only that he's black is the reason Boris hasnt given him one. Even though its a New years honour, and its only November..

I’m not so sure, I think Boris will push for it anyway.

[Escort3500]

vdn said:

williamp said:

Moss got the knighthood for being, well Moss..

This is what I think will happen. He'll get his knighthood, but before then Kier and the labour party will stir the pot saying that he should get it, and its only that he's black is the reason Boris hasnt given him one. Even though its a New years honour, and its only November..

I’m not so sure, I think Boris will push for it anyway.

Surely you mean Carrie will tell Boris to push for it

[lord summerisle]

LukeBrown66 said:

I would add Lauda and remove Hamilton from that list, Lewis did very little in an average car, Stewart won races in cars that were not amazingly better than the rest, Clark managed to keep Lotus's going for long enough to win titles and races and Lauda proved that sheer talent is not the only way you win and came back from near death to do so again.

If Lewis had trounced Button, won races in that McLaren or ragged it like Alonso did the Ferrari's, I would have more inkling to put him up there.

because he has one thing a lot of peoples GOATS like Schuey and Senna do not have, fairness. Lewis is a very fair and decent driver in comparison to them, he is ruthless yes, but who isn't.

I still feel being beaten by Rosberg drops him down a touch, no one ever got near Clark or Stewart in equal cars, even Moss struggled to beat Fangio in the Merc and he is lauded as a hero in Britain.

Lauda also gets in due to pure heroism, what that man went through to come back and win a title is staggering and then to come back again, no-one will ever likely do that again.

Records are far too easy to break now, wins, poles etc, it's not modern drivers fault, but I think if you remember or recall how much tougher it was to win in the past it's hard to put modern drivers ahead of those who risked their lives far more, drove far more difficult cars around far tougher tracks.

Which Mclaren did't he win in?
2007 - 4 wins, 12 podiums
2008 - 5 wins, 10 podiums
2009 - 2 wins, 5 podiums
2010 - 3 wins, 9 podiums
2011 - 3 wins, 6 podiums
2012 - 4 wins, 7 podiums

[WickerBill]

'noone got close to clark in the lotus'

huh other than Hill as his teammate, can you remember how accomplished his other teammates were? No? thought not.....


....Innes Ireland, Trevor Taylor, Mike Spence and Peter Arundell.....hardly household names were they!

[Halmyre]

WickerBill said:

'noone got close to clark in the lotus'

huh other than Hill as his teammate, can you remember how accomplished his other teammates were? No? thought not.....


....Innes Ireland, Trevor Taylor, Mike Spence and Peter Arundell.....hardly household names were they!

Ireland was the first man to win a WC race in a Lotus. He was booted out in favour of Clark.

Taylor and Arundell were sidelined by career-wrecking accidents.

Spence was shaping up well but was dropped for 1967 when Graham Hill turned up.

[nickfrog]

LukeBrown66 said:

I still feel being beaten by Rosberg drops him down a touch,

Did you watch Sepang 2016 ? It gives a very good indication as to how Rosberg "beat" Hamilton that year.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H0XT6n4OuSY

[p1stonhead]

nickfrog said:

LukeBrown66 said:

I still feel being beaten by Rosberg drops him down a touch,

Did you watch Sepang 2016 ? It gives a very good indication as to how Rosberg "beat" Hamilton that year.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H0XT6n4OuSY

To be fair you can say that about anyone during any year. Rosberg also had DNF’s that year didn’t he?

Might have only been Spain come to think of it and that would have included Hamilton too.

Point remains though, everyone has to deal with reliability.

[nickfrog]

p1stonhead said:

To be fair you can say that about anyone during any year. Rosberg also had DNF’s that year didn’t he?

Not on a mechanical AFAIK. Which was the key difference that year.

[entropy]

nickfrog said:

LukeBrown66 said:

I still feel being beaten by Rosberg drops him down a touch,

Did you watch Sepang 2016 ? It gives a very good indication as to how Rosberg "beat" Hamilton that year.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H0XT6n4OuSY

Rosberg got to him though. Lewis made some errors that year, sometimes trying too hard; Rosberg was less error prone. Azerbaijan quali stands out from memory.

Rosberg was a top calibre driver but not at the apex - Lewis stands alone at that peak. Lewis beat him 3 times in the WDC over 4 years together; 2 titles out of 3. Intra-team battles for WDCs tends to be over a couple of years.

Stewart had Cevert as his wingman. IMO the Frenchman was a number 2 driver at best. How good were Clark's team-mate's? Only Hill was close in calibre and how long were they together?

[Fundoreen]

As much as I like him and he deserves his success he did punt 3 cars off in the first corner of sundays race.
But apparently he had a no mistakes race on his way to his 500th title.

[p1stonhead]

Fundoreen said:

As much as I like him and he deserves his success he did punt 3 cars off in the first corner of sundays race.
But apparently he had a no mistakes race on his way to his 500th title.

Eh?

He nearly touched RIC, who swerved and hit his teammate and caused him to spin. Hamilton hit no one.

Punt 3 cars off?

Watch here from 45 seconds

https://youtu.be/FZZzhixrxiE

[C350Akra]

Fundoreen said:

As much as I like him and he deserves his success he did punt 3 cars off in the first corner of sundays race.
But apparently he had a no mistakes race on his way to his 500th title.

We are discussing Hamilton, who are you talking about?

[MiniMan64]

C350Akra said:

Fundoreen said:

As much as I like him and he deserves his success he did punt 3 cars off in the first corner of sundays race.
But apparently he had a no mistakes race on his way to his 500th title.

We are discussing Hamilton, who are you talking about?

Somebody else clearly.

[IforB]

Fundoreen said:

As much as I like him and he deserves his success he did punt 3 cars off in the first corner of sundays race.
But apparently he had a no mistakes race on his way to his 500th title.

Errrr? What now?

[kiseca]

nickfrog said:

LukeBrown66 said:

I still feel being beaten by Rosberg drops him down a touch,

Did you watch Sepang 2016 ? It gives a very good indication as to how Rosberg "beat" Hamilton that year.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H0XT6n4OuSY

There's no quote marks needed. You can go to any season in history and make a case for how someone lost the championship instead of how someone won it if you do a bit of digging. This guy was one engine failure away from the championship. That guy was in the wrong car. The other guy had the worst mechanics.

Unless the car stops, we often have no idea what problems a driver is facing in the car that may be just making them look slow compared to their team mate. Cracked chassis that have seen half a dozen races before being discovered. A soft brake pedal. Can't select 3rd gear. Has a bad cold.

Dig deep enough and you can make any fantasy or "deserving" winner you like for just about any season. What you can't do is change the fact that in 2016 Rosberg BEAT Hamilton in the championship race.

[Muzzer79]

Fundoreen said:

As much as I like him and he deserves his success he did punt 3 cars off in the first corner of sundays race.
But apparently he had a no mistakes race on his way to his 500th title.

Pardon?

You're clearly talking about a driver in a different race and discipline.

This is the Lewis Hamilton thread, if you're going to bring other drivers into it can you make it clear which one?

Thanks