Lewis Hamilton G.O.A.T. ?

Lewis Hamilton G.O.A.T. ?

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MarkwG

2,985 posts

154 months

Tuesday 20th April
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paulguitar said:
nickfrog said:
paulguitar said:
I just want to know what a 'Pantone' is.
It's a way to describe a colour or a shade with a code.

He is trying and failing to be funny about Ham telling Merc to have the car in black. Which obviously never happened.
Ah, okay, thanks.

So Hamilton is managing the team as well as driving the car, in Sparta's mind?

Impressive.
Makes him all the more remarkable, doesn't it? F1 7 time champion, team manager, talent scout, car stylist, there's no end to his skill sets - no wonder Sparta5/6/7 is such a closet fan wink

mattdavies

58 posts

122 months

Wednesday 21st April
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MarkwG said:
paulguitar said:
nickfrog said:
paulguitar said:
I just want to know what a 'Pantone' is.
It's a way to describe a colour or a shade with a code.

He is trying and failing to be funny about Ham telling Merc to have the car in black. Which obviously never happened.
Ah, okay, thanks.

So Hamilton is managing the team as well as driving the car, in Sparta's mind?

Impressive.
Makes him all the more remarkable, doesn't it? F1 7 time champion, team manager, talent scout, car stylist, there's no end to his skill sets - no wonder Sparta5/6/7 is such a closet fan wink
So you are suggesting that with Lewis's dimished mental capacity to out smart Max he also does all of the above ? or is it because he does all of the above he cant compete with Max's mental prowess ?

MarkwG

2,985 posts

154 months

Wednesday 21st April
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mattdavies said:
MarkwG said:
paulguitar said:
nickfrog said:
paulguitar said:
I just want to know what a 'Pantone' is.
It's a way to describe a colour or a shade with a code.

He is trying and failing to be funny about Ham telling Merc to have the car in black. Which obviously never happened.
Ah, okay, thanks.

So Hamilton is managing the team as well as driving the car, in Sparta's mind?

Impressive.
Makes him all the more remarkable, doesn't it? F1 7 time champion, team manager, talent scout, car stylist, there's no end to his skill sets - no wonder Sparta5/6/7 is such a closet fan wink
So you are suggesting that with Lewis's dimished mental capacity to out smart Max he also does all of the above ? or is it because he does all of the above he cant compete with Max's mental prowess ?
Where did I say he has a "diminished mental capacity"? He's out raced & outsmarted Verstappen many more times than the opposite, the opening race of the season for starters. They're both extremely talented individuals, but some posters seem to think Hamilton also controls aspects of the Mercedes team when it's been clearly articulated by those actually in charge that's not the case, yet never seem to make the same case for other drivers, who obviously do have, or had, an influence on the other driver in the team. It gets boring, as others have also said.

TheLimla

1,713 posts

159 months

Wednesday 21st April
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MarkwG said:
mattdavies said:
MarkwG said:
paulguitar said:
nickfrog said:
paulguitar said:
I just want to know what a 'Pantone' is.
It's a way to describe a colour or a shade with a code.

He is trying and failing to be funny about Ham telling Merc to have the car in black. Which obviously never happened.
Ah, okay, thanks.

So Hamilton is managing the team as well as driving the car, in Sparta's mind?

Impressive.
Makes him all the more remarkable, doesn't it? F1 7 time champion, team manager, talent scout, car stylist, there's no end to his skill sets - no wonder Sparta5/6/7 is such a closet fan wink
So you are suggesting that with Lewis's dimished mental capacity to out smart Max he also does all of the above ? or is it because he does all of the above he cant compete with Max's mental prowess ?
Where did I say he has a "diminished mental capacity"? He's out raced & outsmarted Verstappen many more times than the opposite, the opening race of the season for starters. They're both extremely talented individuals, but some posters seem to think Hamilton also controls aspects of the Mercedes team when it's been clearly articulated by those actually in charge that's not the case, yet never seem to make the same case for other drivers, who obviously do have, or had, an influence on the other driver in the team. It gets boring, as others have also said.
Max outsmarts himself, Brazil 2018 comes to mind! All he had to do was a let a back marker he wasn't racing go....

mattdavies

58 posts

122 months

Wednesday 21st April
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MarkwG said:
Where did I say he has a "diminished mental capacity"? He's out raced & outsmarted Verstappen many more times than the opposite, the opening race of the season for starters. They're both extremely talented individuals, but some posters seem to think Hamilton also controls aspects of the Mercedes team when it's been clearly articulated by those actually in charge that's not the case, yet never seem to make the same case for other drivers, who obviously do have, or had, an influence on the other driver in the team. It gets boring, as others have also said.
Sorry this wasnt you that had said it in this thread, and my comment was made in jest.

I do not believe that Hamilton is controling the team or that he cant out smart Verstappen, Hamilton like all great drivers has the spare mental capacity to think about more then just his own race, which shows in his team radio messages.

I also believe that Hamilton didnt believe he could make the move round the outside this weekend at the start of the race but wanted to send a message to Verstappen that he isnt going down without a fight, all part of the mental battle.

paulguitar

11,110 posts

78 months

Wednesday 21st April
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mattdavies said:
I also believe that Hamilton didnt believe he could make the move round the outside this weekend at the start of the race but wanted to send a message to Verstappen that he isnt going down without a fight, all part of the mental battle.
I agree, and also think that he knew his car was simply slower, so he had to do everything he could to maintain track position, leading to him hanging on a bit longer than he usually would have. That said, once he'd been in clean air for a few laps the Merc really got into a happy zone. It's clearly going to be a very quick car, it just seems to have a quite limited operating window.



sparta6

2,538 posts

65 months

Wednesday 21st April
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paulguitar said:
nickfrog said:
paulguitar said:
I just want to know what a 'Pantone' is.
It's a way to describe a colour or a shade with a code.

He is trying and failing to be funny about Ham telling Merc to have the car in black. Which obviously never happened.
Ah, okay, thanks.

So Hamilton is managing the team as well as driving the car, in Sparta's mind?

Impressive.
Who are these people that believe Mercedes would have re-painted the Silver Arrows, if Hamilton was at Renault ?


People who also believe in tooth fairies hehe

Evanivitch

9,063 posts

87 months

Wednesday 21st April
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sparta6 said:
paulguitar said:
nickfrog said:
paulguitar said:
I just want to know what a 'Pantone' is.
It's a way to describe a colour or a shade with a code.

He is trying and failing to be funny about Ham telling Merc to have the car in black. Which obviously never happened.
Ah, okay, thanks.

So Hamilton is managing the team as well as driving the car, in Sparta's mind?

Impressive.
Who are these people that believe Mercedes would have re-painted the Silver Arrows, if Hamilton was at Renault ?

People who also believe in tooth fairies hehe
But black does work better with the Petronas colours...

MarkwG

2,985 posts

154 months

Wednesday 21st April
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mattdavies said:
MarkwG said:
Where did I say he has a "diminished mental capacity"? He's out raced & outsmarted Verstappen many more times than the opposite, the opening race of the season for starters. They're both extremely talented individuals, but some posters seem to think Hamilton also controls aspects of the Mercedes team when it's been clearly articulated by those actually in charge that's not the case, yet never seem to make the same case for other drivers, who obviously do have, or had, an influence on the other driver in the team. It gets boring, as others have also said.
Sorry this wasnt you that had said it in this thread, and my comment was made in jest.

I do not believe that Hamilton is controling the team or that he cant out smart Verstappen, Hamilton like all great drivers has the spare mental capacity to think about more then just his own race, which shows in his team radio messages.

I also believe that Hamilton didnt believe he could make the move round the outside this weekend at the start of the race but wanted to send a message to Verstappen that he isnt going down without a fight, all part of the mental battle.
Fair enough thumbupbeer

sparta6

2,538 posts

65 months

Wednesday 21st April
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Evanivitch said:
sparta6 said:
paulguitar said:
nickfrog said:
paulguitar said:
I just want to know what a 'Pantone' is.
It's a way to describe a colour or a shade with a code.

He is trying and failing to be funny about Ham telling Merc to have the car in black. Which obviously never happened.
Ah, okay, thanks.

So Hamilton is managing the team as well as driving the car, in Sparta's mind?

Impressive.
Who are these people that believe Mercedes would have re-painted the Silver Arrows, if Hamilton was at Renault ?

People who also believe in tooth fairies hehe
But black does work better with the Petronas colours...
Agreed biggrin

They should stick with it but will revert to Silver once Hamilton moves on.


MarkwG

2,985 posts

154 months

Wednesday 21st April
quotequote all
sparta6 said:
paulguitar said:
nickfrog said:
paulguitar said:
I just want to know what a 'Pantone' is.
It's a way to describe a colour or a shade with a code.

He is trying and failing to be funny about Ham telling Merc to have the car in black. Which obviously never happened.
Ah, okay, thanks.

So Hamilton is managing the team as well as driving the car, in Sparta's mind?

Impressive.
Who are these people that believe Mercedes would have re-painted the Silver Arrows, if Hamilton was at Renault ?


People who also believe in tooth fairies hehe
It's called behaving as a team; https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/53218197 - if it was just about Hamilton, they wouldn't have painted Bottas car as well, would they? Who knows what Renault would do under those circumstances - since he doesn't race for them, it's academic. Since no-one suggested otherwise, perhaps you're the tooth fairy believer...

sparta6

2,538 posts

65 months

Wednesday 21st April
quotequote all
MarkwG said:
sparta6 said:
paulguitar said:
nickfrog said:
paulguitar said:
I just want to know what a 'Pantone' is.
It's a way to describe a colour or a shade with a code.

He is trying and failing to be funny about Ham telling Merc to have the car in black. Which obviously never happened.
Ah, okay, thanks.

So Hamilton is managing the team as well as driving the car, in Sparta's mind?

Impressive.
Who are these people that believe Mercedes would have re-painted the Silver Arrows, if Hamilton was at Renault ?


People who also believe in tooth fairies hehe
It's called behaving as a team; https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/53218197 - if it was just about Hamilton, they wouldn't have painted Bottas car as well, would they? Who knows what Renault would do under those circumstances - since he doesn't race for them, it's academic. Since no-one suggested otherwise, perhaps you're the tooth fairy believer...
If you truly believe Mercedes would change its corporate colour without Hamilton's influence, this is for you and your tooth fairies tonight hehe

https://www.redbubble.com/i/duvet-cover/LH-WORLD-C...




MarkwG

2,985 posts

154 months

Wednesday 21st April
quotequote all
sparta6 said:
MarkwG said:
sparta6 said:
paulguitar said:
nickfrog said:
paulguitar said:
I just want to know what a 'Pantone' is.
It's a way to describe a colour or a shade with a code.

He is trying and failing to be funny about Ham telling Merc to have the car in black. Which obviously never happened.
Ah, okay, thanks.

So Hamilton is managing the team as well as driving the car, in Sparta's mind?

Impressive.
Who are these people that believe Mercedes would have re-painted the Silver Arrows, if Hamilton was at Renault ?


People who also believe in tooth fairies hehe
It's called behaving as a team; https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/53218197 - if it was just about Hamilton, they wouldn't have painted Bottas car as well, would they? Who knows what Renault would do under those circumstances - since he doesn't race for them, it's academic. Since no-one suggested otherwise, perhaps you're the tooth fairy believer...
If you truly believe Mercedes would change its corporate colour without Hamilton's influence, this is for you and your tooth fairies tonight hehe

https://www.redbubble.com/i/duvet-cover/LH-WORLD-C...
Again, misquoting & putting words in others mouths: I didn't say it was without his influence. However, you seem to think he made the decision, when that obviously wasn't the case. Your obsession with this is really quite telling: how are you coping with the news overnight re Derek Chauvin...? Sobbing into your LH duvet...?

paulguitar

11,110 posts

78 months

Wednesday 21st April
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If there anyone here with an LH duvet, it is Sparta, even if it is just to moon at. The Sparta/Lewis obsession is one of the odder and more committed ones I've seen here...

nickfrog

13,996 posts

182 months

Wednesday 21st April
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sparta6 said:
If you truly believe Mercedes would change its corporate colour without Hamilton's influence, this is for you and your tooth fairies tonight hehe

https://www.redbubble.com/i/duvet-cover/LH-WORLD-C...
Your obsession with LH is quite weird, to the point where you are judging everyone else by your own standards. We're not like you. We haven't lost perspective. We can like LH without hating other drivers. Personally I quite like his attitude but I am also a big fan of Max but overall my favourite driver is Gasly. I find that critical thinking is not that difficult. You should try it instead of working so hard to make yourself look like a cretin with entranched views and puerile binary thought processes.

Gad-Westy

11,357 posts

178 months

Wednesday 21st April
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How did this start again? Hamilton got the car painted black and therefore is also choosing his team mates? That's some serious mind aerobics!

Let's look at this another way, *IF* you were so important to a brand as big as Merc that they're prepared to massage their corporate identity to your suit your whims, would you consider that a personal failing? Seems like quite a compliment to me!

vdn

7,999 posts

168 months

Wednesday 21st April
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nickfrog said:
sparta6 said:
If you truly believe Mercedes would change its corporate colour without Hamilton's influence, this is for you and your tooth fairies tonight hehe

https://www.redbubble.com/i/duvet-cover/LH-WORLD-C...
Your obsession with LH is quite weird, to the point where you are judging everyone else by your own standards. We're not like you. We haven't lost perspective. We can like LH without hating other drivers. Personally I quite like his attitude but I am also a big fan of Max but overall my favourite driver is Gasly. I find that critical thinking is not that difficult. You should try it instead of working so hard to make yourself look like a cretin with entranched views and puerile binary thought processes.
He actually went and looked up a link for a duvet cover rofl

He's the type that never quite fit in anywhere. He ticks every box!

seymourski

255 posts

201 months

Wednesday 21st April
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I think you are doing Sparta 6 a disservice.

Given the Covid world we have all endured for the last 15 months the ability to construct and live in such an elaborate fantasy world should be applauded as it obviously gives him great comfort and stops him having to face up to the real world.

I wish my imagination was so inventive and colourful as it would have been a great distraction during lockdown.

glazbagun

11,646 posts

162 months

Wednesday 21st April
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paulguitar said:
mattdavies said:
I also believe that Hamilton didnt believe he could make the move round the outside this weekend at the start of the race but wanted to send a message to Verstappen that he isnt going down without a fight, all part of the mental battle.
I agree, and also think that he knew his car was simply slower, so he had to do everything he could to maintain track position, leading to him hanging on a bit longer than he usually would have. That said, once he'd been in clean air for a few laps the Merc really got into a happy zone. It's clearly going to be a very quick car, it just seems to have a quite limited operating window.
yes

Except for 2018 the Mercs have been the cars with something to lose. I remember Nico talking about the stress of overtaking a still-crashy Max to secure the championship, and two years ago when Lewis bailed on a Max overtake which would have won the championship, but delayed it for another race as the safer option.

Also when Leclerc pushed Lewis to the edge in Monza and he wasn't too happy. When asked if he had a problem with it he answered that it was fine, and just something to consider in future races.

Max has had nothing to lose for his whole career. If Lewis can make him more cautious around his car it can only benefit him.

95 fiesta si

1,174 posts

117 months

Friday 23rd April
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I assumed the mercs went Black from Silver since Lewis was helping push the BLM movement, is that not correct then ?