Lewis Hamilton G.O.A.T. ?
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MarkwG said:
mattdavies said:
MarkwG said:
paulguitar said:
nickfrog said:
paulguitar said:
I just want to know what a 'Pantone' is.
It's a way to describe a colour or a shade with a code.He is trying and failing to be funny about Ham telling Merc to have the car in black. Which obviously never happened.
So Hamilton is managing the team as well as driving the car, in Sparta's mind?
Impressive.
MarkwG said:
Where did I say he has a "diminished mental capacity"? He's out raced & outsmarted Verstappen many more times than the opposite, the opening race of the season for starters. They're both extremely talented individuals, but some posters seem to think Hamilton also controls aspects of the Mercedes team when it's been clearly articulated by those actually in charge that's not the case, yet never seem to make the same case for other drivers, who obviously do have, or had, an influence on the other driver in the team. It gets boring, as others have also said.
Sorry this wasnt you that had said it in this thread, and my comment was made in jest.I do not believe that Hamilton is controling the team or that he cant out smart Verstappen, Hamilton like all great drivers has the spare mental capacity to think about more then just his own race, which shows in his team radio messages.
I also believe that Hamilton didnt believe he could make the move round the outside this weekend at the start of the race but wanted to send a message to Verstappen that he isnt going down without a fight, all part of the mental battle.
mattdavies said:
I also believe that Hamilton didnt believe he could make the move round the outside this weekend at the start of the race but wanted to send a message to Verstappen that he isnt going down without a fight, all part of the mental battle.
I agree, and also think that he knew his car was simply slower, so he had to do everything he could to maintain track position, leading to him hanging on a bit longer than he usually would have. That said, once he'd been in clean air for a few laps the Merc really got into a happy zone. It's clearly going to be a very quick car, it just seems to have a quite limited operating window.paulguitar said:
nickfrog said:
paulguitar said:
I just want to know what a 'Pantone' is.
It's a way to describe a colour or a shade with a code.He is trying and failing to be funny about Ham telling Merc to have the car in black. Which obviously never happened.
So Hamilton is managing the team as well as driving the car, in Sparta's mind?
Impressive.
People who also believe in tooth fairies
sparta6 said:
paulguitar said:
nickfrog said:
paulguitar said:
I just want to know what a 'Pantone' is.
It's a way to describe a colour or a shade with a code.He is trying and failing to be funny about Ham telling Merc to have the car in black. Which obviously never happened.
So Hamilton is managing the team as well as driving the car, in Sparta's mind?
Impressive.
People who also believe in tooth fairies
mattdavies said:
MarkwG said:
Where did I say he has a "diminished mental capacity"? He's out raced & outsmarted Verstappen many more times than the opposite, the opening race of the season for starters. They're both extremely talented individuals, but some posters seem to think Hamilton also controls aspects of the Mercedes team when it's been clearly articulated by those actually in charge that's not the case, yet never seem to make the same case for other drivers, who obviously do have, or had, an influence on the other driver in the team. It gets boring, as others have also said.
Sorry this wasnt you that had said it in this thread, and my comment was made in jest.I do not believe that Hamilton is controling the team or that he cant out smart Verstappen, Hamilton like all great drivers has the spare mental capacity to think about more then just his own race, which shows in his team radio messages.
I also believe that Hamilton didnt believe he could make the move round the outside this weekend at the start of the race but wanted to send a message to Verstappen that he isnt going down without a fight, all part of the mental battle.
Evanivitch said:
sparta6 said:
paulguitar said:
nickfrog said:
paulguitar said:
I just want to know what a 'Pantone' is.
It's a way to describe a colour or a shade with a code.He is trying and failing to be funny about Ham telling Merc to have the car in black. Which obviously never happened.
So Hamilton is managing the team as well as driving the car, in Sparta's mind?
Impressive.
People who also believe in tooth fairies
They should stick with it but will revert to Silver once Hamilton moves on.
sparta6 said:
paulguitar said:
nickfrog said:
paulguitar said:
I just want to know what a 'Pantone' is.
It's a way to describe a colour or a shade with a code.He is trying and failing to be funny about Ham telling Merc to have the car in black. Which obviously never happened.
So Hamilton is managing the team as well as driving the car, in Sparta's mind?
Impressive.
People who also believe in tooth fairies
MarkwG said:
sparta6 said:
paulguitar said:
nickfrog said:
paulguitar said:
I just want to know what a 'Pantone' is.
It's a way to describe a colour or a shade with a code.He is trying and failing to be funny about Ham telling Merc to have the car in black. Which obviously never happened.
So Hamilton is managing the team as well as driving the car, in Sparta's mind?
Impressive.
People who also believe in tooth fairies
https://www.redbubble.com/i/duvet-cover/LH-WORLD-C...
sparta6 said:
MarkwG said:
sparta6 said:
paulguitar said:
nickfrog said:
paulguitar said:
I just want to know what a 'Pantone' is.
It's a way to describe a colour or a shade with a code.He is trying and failing to be funny about Ham telling Merc to have the car in black. Which obviously never happened.
So Hamilton is managing the team as well as driving the car, in Sparta's mind?
Impressive.
People who also believe in tooth fairies
https://www.redbubble.com/i/duvet-cover/LH-WORLD-C...
sparta6 said:
If you truly believe Mercedes would change its corporate colour without Hamilton's influence, this is for you and your tooth fairies tonight
https://www.redbubble.com/i/duvet-cover/LH-WORLD-C...
Your obsession with LH is quite weird, to the point where you are judging everyone else by your own standards. We're not like you. We haven't lost perspective. We can like LH without hating other drivers. Personally I quite like his attitude but I am also a big fan of Max but overall my favourite driver is Gasly. I find that critical thinking is not that difficult. You should try it instead of working so hard to make yourself look like a cretin with entranched views and puerile binary thought processes. https://www.redbubble.com/i/duvet-cover/LH-WORLD-C...
How did this start again? Hamilton got the car painted black and therefore is also choosing his team mates? That's some serious mind aerobics!
Let's look at this another way, *IF* you were so important to a brand as big as Merc that they're prepared to massage their corporate identity to your suit your whims, would you consider that a personal failing? Seems like quite a compliment to me!
Let's look at this another way, *IF* you were so important to a brand as big as Merc that they're prepared to massage their corporate identity to your suit your whims, would you consider that a personal failing? Seems like quite a compliment to me!
nickfrog said:
sparta6 said:
If you truly believe Mercedes would change its corporate colour without Hamilton's influence, this is for you and your tooth fairies tonight
https://www.redbubble.com/i/duvet-cover/LH-WORLD-C...
Your obsession with LH is quite weird, to the point where you are judging everyone else by your own standards. We're not like you. We haven't lost perspective. We can like LH without hating other drivers. Personally I quite like his attitude but I am also a big fan of Max but overall my favourite driver is Gasly. I find that critical thinking is not that difficult. You should try it instead of working so hard to make yourself look like a cretin with entranched views and puerile binary thought processes. https://www.redbubble.com/i/duvet-cover/LH-WORLD-C...
He's the type that never quite fit in anywhere. He ticks every box!
I think you are doing Sparta 6 a disservice.
Given the Covid world we have all endured for the last 15 months the ability to construct and live in such an elaborate fantasy world should be applauded as it obviously gives him great comfort and stops him having to face up to the real world.
I wish my imagination was so inventive and colourful as it would have been a great distraction during lockdown.
Given the Covid world we have all endured for the last 15 months the ability to construct and live in such an elaborate fantasy world should be applauded as it obviously gives him great comfort and stops him having to face up to the real world.
I wish my imagination was so inventive and colourful as it would have been a great distraction during lockdown.
paulguitar said:
mattdavies said:
I also believe that Hamilton didnt believe he could make the move round the outside this weekend at the start of the race but wanted to send a message to Verstappen that he isnt going down without a fight, all part of the mental battle.
I agree, and also think that he knew his car was simply slower, so he had to do everything he could to maintain track position, leading to him hanging on a bit longer than he usually would have. That said, once he'd been in clean air for a few laps the Merc really got into a happy zone. It's clearly going to be a very quick car, it just seems to have a quite limited operating window.
Except for 2018 the Mercs have been the cars with something to lose. I remember Nico talking about the stress of overtaking a still-crashy Max to secure the championship, and two years ago when Lewis bailed on a Max overtake which would have won the championship, but delayed it for another race as the safer option.
Also when Leclerc pushed Lewis to the edge in Monza and he wasn't too happy. When asked if he had a problem with it he answered that it was fine, and just something to consider in future races.
Max has had nothing to lose for his whole career. If Lewis can make him more cautious around his car it can only benefit him.
95 fiesta si said:
I assumed the mercs went Black from Silver since Lewis was helping push the BLM movement, is that not correct then ?
I don't think he forced them into anything, he may well have raised awareness of an issue so it's brilliant when a large corporation acts decisively to try and resolve situations of inequality and discrimination. I am sure you agree.Some extracts from the F1 website at the time:
“Racism and discrimination have no place in our society, our sport or our team: this is a core belief of Mercedes,” said Team Principal Toto Wolff. “But having the right beliefs and the right mindset isn’t enough if we remain silent.
“We wish to use our voice and our global platform to speak up for respect and equality, and the Silver Arrow will race in black for the entire 2020 season to show our commitment to greater diversity within our team and our sport.”
In Mercedes’ organisation, just three per cent of the workforce identify as belonging to minority ethnic groups and only 12% of employees are women. The team say it’s this lack of diversity that shows they need to find new approaches to attract talent from any areas of society they do not currently reach, and they have committed to announcing a diversity and inclusion programme before the end of the season
Racism and discrimination have no place in our society, our sport or our team: this is a core belief of Mercedes
Toto Wolff
“We will not shy away from our weaknesses in this area, nor from the progress we must still make; our livery is our public pledge to take positive action,” continued Wolff. “We intend to find and attract the very best talents from the broadest possible range of backgrounds, and to creative credible pathways for them to reach our sport, in order to build a stronger and more diverse team in the future.”
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