Lewis Hamilton G.O.A.T. ?
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lauda said:
Must. Stop. Feeding. The. Troll.
MM, you’re either doing this because you enjoy winding us all up or, more like, judging by other posts you’ve made on the cycling and coronavirus threads, I honestly think you have some mental issues.
I wonder whether recent arrivals are PH plants to drive some statistic about forum traffic: lob a pointless hand grenade, stand back & watch as the numbers climb?MM, you’re either doing this because you enjoy winding us all up or, more like, judging by other posts you’ve made on the cycling and coronavirus threads, I honestly think you have some mental issues.
paulguitar said:
1992 sums Monaco up very well and totally supports my point. Mansell was several seconds quicker than Senna, in a far superior car and with fresh tyres. He put on a show, but there was no way he was ever going to be able to pass.
He was trying to force an error. Clever tactics.paulguitar said:
I'm probably older than you, by the way, not sure why you seem to want to have an age competition?
Maybe, and I don’t care about “age competitions”paulguitar said:
Cleary all of your claimed years of watching F1 has not resulted in much of an understanding of it.
You owe me a new pair of pants. I’ve just voided my bowels and bladder laughing at that.paulguitar said:
liner33 said:
Guess I'm alone in thinking that Monaco has become a total snoozefest and is in no way representative of F1 .
You're definitely not alone. Monaco is nearly always a total snore-fest. It's possible to drive literally several seconds off the pace and not be in any danger of being overtaken.General Price said:
Senna was an outright cheat,he was a good driver when things were going his way but he soon turned to cheating when they weren't.
Hamilton has always won without resorting to Senna and Schumacher tactics.
You’re very much on your own on that thinking. Generally speaking, People who know won’t engage, those who have no clue will spout this stuff, and think they’re right because those who know can’t be arsed arguing with the mentally deficient types who come out with this stuff.Hamilton has always won without resorting to Senna and Schumacher tactics.
. Muzzer79 said:
It bugs me how people rate Monaco as one of the tracks one must do well on to be considered a ‘great’
Some drivers don’t have luck there, some don’t get the right car at the right time.
Jim Clark never won in Monaco. Does that make him a lesser driver than Olivier Panis or Jarno Trulli, who did??
4 poles and 2 fastest laps from 6 entries though. And of course he missed the race in 1965 to compete at Indianapolis.Some drivers don’t have luck there, some don’t get the right car at the right time.
Jim Clark never won in Monaco. Does that make him a lesser driver than Olivier Panis or Jarno Trulli, who did??
On the other hand, he won four times at Spa.
I think it was Nelson Piquet who said driving at Monaco was like riding a bike round your living room.
M5-911 said:
Monaco track has changed very little but the cars are completely different so you can't compare. Have you ever been to the Monaco classic gp? The old cars can actually run side by side and overtake each others. Nearly impossible with todays cars. First they are much bigger and they are much more equal in term of performance which make it very very difficult to over take.
Until the current regulations where the cars were made wider to 2 Metres from 1.8 metres, modern F1 cars have been narrower than those run in the Historic GP. The current cars are now the same width as they ran in the ground effect era, which is the fastest historic class at Monaco.Passing at Monaco is difficult because they are all on the same tyres in an Aero dominated series with one fast line. It takes a big performance difference or a mistake to pass when you have a field full of pro drivers.
jsf said:
M5-911 said:
Monaco track has changed very little but the cars are completely different so you can't compare. Have you ever been to the Monaco classic gp? The old cars can actually run side by side and overtake each others. Nearly impossible with todays cars. First they are much bigger and they are much more equal in term of performance which make it very very difficult to over take.
Until the current regulations where the cars were made wider to 2 Metres from 1.8 metres, modern F1 cars have been narrower than those run in the Historic GP. The current cars are now the same width as they ran in the ground effect era, which is the fastest historic class at Monaco.Passing at Monaco is difficult because they are all on the same tyres in an Aero dominated series with one fast line. It takes a big performance difference or a mistake to pass when you have a field full of pro drivers.
paulguitar said:
Maximus_Meridius101 said:
Well maybe. He was comfortable at the time, but in the previous laps he was getting to that point by skinning every one else. That’s just incredible at Monaco.
It's not at all incredible if you crash and therefore fail to finish. I was and am a huge fan of Senna, and his Monaco quali lap in '88 was outstanding but race day was one of his lowest points.
paulguitar said:
wibble cb said:
Arguably it was Ron Dennis to blame for Senna crashing, his driving was fairly metronomic until Ron broke his concentration ( I say this as no fan of Senna)…sometimes it’s best to leave your driver alone when they are in the zone.
Yep, good point.Is it left or right ?
The sport is about finishing the race distance first.
Everything else (qualifying / overtaking) are just steps to get you across that finish line first.
If you don’t finish, it’s all for nothing.
As great as Senna was, he did have his faults.
General Price said:
Maximus_Meridius101 said:
Oh really? That shows what you know then ( not a lot ).
Mansell vs Senna 1992.
Two of my absolute nominees for G.O.A.T. ( for very different reasons admittedly).
Again in case you missed it ( by virtue of not being alive then )
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=YsqipJ2lSZs
Ironically, it’s only a snore fest now, by virtue of Sir moansalot and his ilk.
Senna was an outright cheat,he was a good driver when things were going his way but he soon turned to cheating when they weren't.Mansell vs Senna 1992.
Two of my absolute nominees for G.O.A.T. ( for very different reasons admittedly).
Again in case you missed it ( by virtue of not being alive then )
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=YsqipJ2lSZs
Ironically, it’s only a snore fest now, by virtue of Sir moansalot and his ilk.
Hamilton has always won without resorting to Senna and Schumacher tactics.
Senna an outright cheat???
Apart from Japan, when he didn’t cheat but took Prost out (as he said he would) when did Senna actually cheat?
And how would you describe the king of the cheaters aka M. Schumacher?
A genius????
The Brummie said:
General Price said:
Maximus_Meridius101 said:
Oh really? That shows what you know then ( not a lot ).
Mansell vs Senna 1992.
Two of my absolute nominees for G.O.A.T. ( for very different reasons admittedly).
Again in case you missed it ( by virtue of not being alive then )
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=YsqipJ2lSZs
Ironically, it’s only a snore fest now, by virtue of Sir moansalot and his ilk.
Senna was an outright cheat,he was a good driver when things were going his way but he soon turned to cheating when they weren't.Mansell vs Senna 1992.
Two of my absolute nominees for G.O.A.T. ( for very different reasons admittedly).
Again in case you missed it ( by virtue of not being alive then )
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=YsqipJ2lSZs
Ironically, it’s only a snore fest now, by virtue of Sir moansalot and his ilk.
Hamilton has always won without resorting to Senna and Schumacher tactics.
Senna an outright cheat???
Apart from Japan, when he didn’t cheat but took Prost out (as he said he would) when did Senna actually cheat?
And how would you describe the king of the cheaters aka M. Schumacher?
A genius????
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