Lewis Hamilton G.O.A.T. ?
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Bo_apex said:
Does a crushingly dominant Mercedes for 7 years count as an advantage ?
The best drive in the best car is always going to count. Ferrari had a better car and between team and driver threw it away.That advantage is Mercedes simply doing a better job. All teams got the rules at the same time. The engine was supposed to be an in-line 4 but Ferrari pushed for a V6. Mercedes didn’t actually expect any advantage at all. Listen to Andy Cowell’s Beyond The Grid interviewer. They’d heard rumours of the numbers Ferrari’s engine was producing and expected Merc would be behind them. Obviously it wasn’t the case.
The idea MS, in the later years was operating on a level playing field is laughable. He needed one way data shares and contractual advantage to get his stats, never mind the cheating and parking up antics. He was a dishonest and dirty driver. Hamilton is in another league, the stats and on track battles attest. As said before: best driver in the best car is only ever going to end one way 
HighwayStar said:
Bo_apex said:
Does a crushingly dominant Mercedes for 7 years count as an advantage ?
The best drive in the best car is always going to count. Ferrari had a better car and between team and driver threw it away.That advantage is Mercedes simply doing a better job. All teams got the rules at the same time. The engine was supposed to be an in-line 4 but Ferrari pushed for a V6. Mercedes didn’t actually expect any advantage at all. Listen to Andy Cowell’s Beyond The Grid interviewer. They’d heard rumours of the numbers Ferrari’s engine was producing and expected Merc would be behind them. Obviously it wasn’t the case.
Bo_apex said:
angrymoby said:
Bo_apex said:
And DNF's aren't his fault
exactly! without those Max would be ahead of him!DNFs
Bottas 6
Lewis 1
Even so, Mercedes reliability over 3 years has been amazing
Lewis is fast when he needs to be but also manages his tyres well, saves fuel well and doesn’t break his car so much. There’s always luck, but over the long term these things averages out.
There are many other factors also like driving in the wet, restarts, learning new tracks to name a few. Sometimes these differences are only small but make all the difference. See Silverstone tyre issues for Mercedes. One driver looked after his tyres just enough to get to the last lap. The other didn’t.
M5-911 said:
Worth noting as Eddy Jordan mentioned, M. Shumacher had a contract close for having a number 2 driver as a team mate. This would help greatly to rack up victories as having world champions as team mate will obviously be a bit more challenging to win more races let alone a championship.
Spot on.Bo_apex said:
Rub of the green...
DNFs
Bottas 6
Lewis 1
Even so, Mercedes reliability over 3 years has been amazing
lol, you've included a puncture (even though Bottas was still classified) & also one where he crashed outDNFs
Bottas 6
Lewis 1
Even so, Mercedes reliability over 3 years has been amazing
you've also omitted that Vettel, who finished above him in both '17 & '18 had a total 3 dnf's those years, so that Ferrari wasn't that unreliable either
C350Akra said:
Bo_apex said:
Does a crushingly dominant Mercedes for 7 years count as an advantage ?
But it has not been. The Ferrari was at least the equal of the Mercedes for at least two of those years. If Vettel had been a good enough driver Ferrari would have won in at least two years.In order to even begin to qualify as G.O.A.T. he’d have to drive a crap car to a position it wasn’t worthy of, at least once ( as an absolute minimum ). Nothing could be further from the truth with him. If he’s had a dominant (or pretty damn good ) car, he’s often been hung out to dry by his team mates, Alonso and Rosberg for example ( another good measure). He’s been fortunate ( and that’s being gracious) that he’s been in an astonishing car, and his current team mate has been ordered to back off ( repeatedly).
Edited by BrundanBianchi on Friday 30th October 16:13
RichB said:
C350Akra said:
Bo_apex said:
Does a crushingly dominant Mercedes for 7 years count as an advantage ?
But it has not been. The Ferrari was at least the equal of the Mercedes for at least two of those years. If Vettel had been a good enough driver Ferrari would have won in at least two years.BrundanBianchi said:
In order to even begin to qualify as G.O.A.T. he’d have to drive a crap car to a position it wasn’t worthy of, at least once ( as an absolute minimum ). Nothing could be further from the truth with him. If he’s had a dominant (or pretty damn good ) car, he’s often been hung out to dry by his team mates, Alonso and Rosberg for example ( another good measure). He’s been fortunate ( and that’s being gracious) that he’s been in an astonishing car, and his current team mate has been ordered to back off ( repeatedly).
New to F1?Edited by BrundanBianchi on Friday 30th October 16:13
paulguitar said:
BrundanBianchi said:
In order to even begin to qualify as G.O.A.T. he’d have to drive a crap car to a position it wasn’t worthy of, at least once ( as an absolute minimum ). Nothing could be further from the truth with him. If he’s had a dominant (or pretty damn good ) car, he’s often been hung out to dry by his team mates, Alonso and Rosberg for example ( another good measure). He’s been fortunate ( and that’s being gracious) that he’s been in an astonishing car, and his current team mate has been ordered to back off ( repeatedly).
New to F1?Edited by BrundanBianchi on Friday 30th October 16:13
Unfortunately the dominance of the Merc takes the shine off his skills but this helps show how good he is...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ubdFHOS4x3k&ab...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ubdFHOS4x3k&ab...
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