Lewis Hamilton G.O.A.T. ?

[stephen300o]

Fire99 said:

I think greatest of his generation is a possible and perhaps more fitting title..

If he was the best of his generation yes.

[Castrol Craig]

stephen300o said:

Fire99 said:

I think greatest of his generation is a possible and perhaps more fitting title..

If he was the best of his generation yes.

ok then, in terms of outright, raw talent and your looking for the man likely to win the most over the next few years, who are you saying?

Edited by Castrol Craig on Sunday 14th November 11:33

[mr boombastic]

AndrewW-G said:

Mazda Baiter said:

AndrewW-G said:

mr boombastic said:

So i think we have all concluded that Lewis is the new Jacques Villeneuve.

Villeneuve was capable of getting a good result from any car, even the rather terrible ones Ferrari produced in the late 70's / early 80's, something that hamilton has not yet been able to do

He said Jaques, not Gilles.

Ooops, sorry all

I'd hardly compare him to Gilles now would i!

[stephen300o]

Castrol Craig said:

stephen300o said:

Fire99 said:

I think greatest of his generation is a possible and perhaps more fitting title..

If he was the best of his generation yes.

ok then, in terms of outright, raw talent and your looking for the man likely to win the most over the next few years, who are you saying?

Edited by Castrol Craig on Sunday 14th November 11:33

KAMUI KOBAYASHI!!!!!!!!

[Carfolio]

Bebee said:

I predict he will surpass Shummuckas record of 7 world champs.

Not. A. fk. Unless some seasons are run with only 1 car on the grid.

[LDN]

jamieboy said:

LDN said:

Despite not liking Alonso's character (ever since Hungary 2007 quali and his nasty holdup tactic on Lewis)

A difficult one to call. Is Alonso's character flawed because he held Hamilton up, or is Hamilton's flawed because he ignored a direct instruction from the team in order to get himself into a better position than Alonso, which in turn caused Alonso to get a bit cross and hold him up. As bad as each other, perhaps.

Not hard to call in the slightest IMO...

[Castrol Craig]

stephen300o said:

Castrol Craig said:

stephen300o said:

Fire99 said:

I think greatest of his generation is a possible and perhaps more fitting title..

If he was the best of his generation yes.

ok then, in terms of outright, raw talent and your looking for the man likely to win the most over the next few years, who are you saying?

Edited by Castrol Craig on Sunday 14th November 11:33

KAMUI KOBAYASHI!!!!!!!!

[Jasandjules]

Taz46 said:

Any one else agree with me that Lewis has the ability to be regarded as the greatest of all time? Seems to me he can get the car near or on the front regardless whether the cars 100 % (with the exception of the beginning of last year but let's face it the mclaren was a complete dog of a car) most talented driver on the grid my opinion, what's yours!?

Yes he has the ability. Whether it will happen, time will tell.

Most talented? I think that is too close to call, there are a couple of seriously talented drivers out there who drive faster than the car "should" permit, he is one of them.

[TonyToniTone]

heebeegeetee said:

TonyToniTone said:

heebeegeetee said:

Why have you ignored the drive from 18th to 3rd in the first race? Are you talking about Hamilton the driver or Hamilton the talker?

drove to 4th, 7 cars in front DNF and he ended up been disqualified for cheating.

No, he drove to third, he took third when Trulli drove clean off the track all of his own accord. Yes, he benefitted by the mistakes drivers in better cars made. Vettel was required to do a bit of racing with Kubica, but crashed. (We were surprised at the time, but now we all wonder if Seb actually can oveertake without crashing. He can't even pass his own team mate in a straight line without turning into him .)

Once in third place Hamilton then had to spend time debating with his team over letting Trulli back past. Hamilton said he didn't have to, and he was right. Unfortunately McL ordered him to let Trulli back past, and then, after LH had been perfectly open with the media about what happened, McL frogmarched Hamilton into a nightmare (and utterly insane) scenario which did a lot of damage to Hamilton's reputation, something that was of value to him.

Both 2008 and 2009 Aussie GP's were great drives by Hamilton where all around him people were making countless errors. There was no way on god's earth that the 2009 McL be in the top ten at Oz, never mind in third place on track.

I have said before now that it was a good drive - just not a legendary one as some people try to make out and in the context of this thread you are on of those people.

[HAZZAGTR]

I don't know... if Vettel gets a more reliable car and learns from his mistakes (which he has done) he will be pretty unstoppable over the next few years. Hamiltons more exciting to watch, but does that win you championships?

[PhillipM]

He needs another 5 years of experience so he can have more influence over strategy yet, that'll show if he really does have what it takes, there's been a few times Button has made the call rather than the pitcrew and it's given him an advantage, Hamilton needs to be just as fast an intuitive at making those calls, as it's not all won by driving the wheels of the car.
Saying that, I love watching him drive and look forward to seeing what happens in future.

[jamieboy]

LDN said:

jamieboy said:

LDN said:

Despite not liking Alonso's character (ever since Hungary 2007 quali and his nasty holdup tactic on Lewis)

A difficult one to call. Is Alonso's character flawed because he held Hamilton up, or is Hamilton's flawed because he ignored a direct instruction from the team in order to get himself into a better position than Alonso, which in turn caused Alonso to get a bit cross and hold him up. As bad as each other, perhaps.

Not hard to call in the slightest IMO...

I was afraid that would be your take on it.

[Gwagon111]

I don't understand any of the comments about him outperforming his car. He hasn't thus far. Webber outperformed his Minardi, Kimi outperformed his Sauber, as did Fernando. Schumacher outperformed his Benetton, when the Williams was a better car. Lewis has only ever performed in line with what his Mclaren has been capable of. Not forgetting Vettels stunning outperformance of his Torro Rosso at Monza.

Edited by Gwagon111 on Sunday 14th November 12:10

[Bebee]

Carfolio said:

Bebee said:

I predict he will surpass Shummuckas record of 7 world champs.

Not. A. fk. Unless some seasons are run with only 1 car on the grid.

NOTED! We will see, PH heads will last a good few years, and this post will still be here, someone dug a post up from 2004 this week. MARK MY WORDS and prepare to eat a huge pie. (All good natured)

[iiyama]

Im sorry? The Williams a better car then a Benneton? Certainly wasnt in '94 imho. And definatly not in the first part of the season.

[Gwagon111]

I personally think that we are entering an Alonso, Vettel era. Unless something screwy happens, I think Lewis and the others will be eating the scraps from the table.

[heebeegeetee]

AndrewW-G said:

Mazda Baiter said:

AndrewW-G said:

mr boombastic said:

So i think we have all concluded that Lewis is the new Jacques Villeneuve.

Villeneuve was capable of getting a good result from any car, even the rather terrible ones Ferrari produced in the late 70's / early 80's, something that hamilton has not yet been able to do

He said Jaques, not Gilles.

Ooops, sorry all

And as I said, Nigel Roebuck has recently said that Hamilton reminds him of Gilles in attitude and approach. And Roebuck worshipped Gilles. As did I.

[Stu3500]

To be called a GOAT it has to be a complete domination of a sport and in different teams preferably. Perfect example Ricky Carmichael:

2009 – Gold Medal (Tied), X Games Step-Up
2008 – Gold Medal, X Games Step-Up
2007 – Gold Medal, X Games Racing
2007 - 1st, Motocross of Nations Champion, Team USA
2006 - 1st, AMA Supercross Champion
2006 - 1st, AMA Outdoor Nationals
2005 - 1st, FIM SX1 World Supercross Champion
2005 - 1st, AMA Supercross Champion
2005 - 1st, AMA Outdoor Nationals
2005 – 1st, Motocross des Nations, Team USA
2005 – 1st, U.S. Open of Supercross
2004 - 1st, AMA Outdoor Nationals
2003 – 1st, AMA Supercross Champion
2003 - 1st, AMA Outdoor Nationals
2002 - 1st, AMA Supercross Champion
2002 - 1st, AMA Outdoor Nationals
2001 - 1st, AMA Supercross Champion
2001 - 1st, AMA Outdoor Nationals
2001 - 1st, U.S. Open of Supercross
2000 - 1st, AMA Outdoor Nationals
2000 - 1st, U.S. Open of Supercross
2000 – 1st, Motocross des Nations Champion, Team USA
1999 - 1st, AMA Outdoor Nationals, Lites
1998 – 1st, AMA Supercross East Region Series, Lites
1998 – 1st, AMA Outdoor Nationals, Lites
1997 – 1st, AMA Outdoor Nationals, Lites

Vale is in the same boat, car/team performance varies too much year to year in F1 for their ever to be a diffinative GOAT, IMO.

[LDN]

Gwagon111 said:

I personally think that we are entering an Alonso, Vettel era. Unless something screwy happens, I think Lewis and the others will be eating the scraps from the table.

[Fire99]

stephen300o said:

Fire99 said:

I think greatest of his generation is a possible and perhaps more fitting title..

If he was the best of his generation yes.

Exactly the point. Even that is debatable but it is atleast that. Debatable. GOAT isn't IMO.