£300 a year to park at work. Would you pay it?

[Dangerous2]

total bks alert:

"currently staff pay around 25p per day for parking but it costs the University £4 per space in maintenance and enforcement... The new charges will also align with the sector and importantly help provide funding for travel plan."

Maybe they have valet parking and a car wash included.

I have just moved to a job at a university in Germany. Similar to my previous employer the university is on a campus out of town. In the UK: £4 a day parking, or about 1-2% of your annual salary.

In Germany: free parking for all staff.

hmmm

[Diderot]

Same at my place of work. The fkers who enforce this de facto salary cut/parking tax are called 'Ethical Parking Management'. We even have a full time environmental officer and shiny plaque from 10:10 - the gang that blew up the school kids. The union is far too busy fighting national political issues to see how their (reluctant and dwindling) membership are being bent over locally in the name of lemonade bubbles.

[GadgeS3C]

brickwall said:

What is the difference between fair and equitable in this sentence? Non bullst version: "make sure it's a fair system"

When did people lose the ability to express things clearly?

You missed out one the best one:

Are you trying to stop me from using my car? Travel Plans are about increasing the use of sustainable transport systems. They are a means of encouraging the best use of the car, where it is the most effective method of transport. They are about reducing the effects of congestion and alleviating the parking problems that many car drivers suffer every day. Travel Planning also helps improve access to, and the effectiveness of, a range of modes of transport so people have a greater choice and can become less dependent on the car.

Actual (concise)translation - "Yes"

Oh, edit - must remember to take the TVR next time I get chance to pop in LB Uni

Edited by GadgeS3C on Monday 16th May 20:14

[eliot]

Negative Creep said:

I have the choice of paying £8 a day to park outside my work, or park in a side street for free and walk 5 minutes. Guess which one I chose?

Pay £8 a day - this is PH afterall.

[Negative Creep]

eliot said:

Negative Creep said:

I have the choice of paying £8 a day to park outside my work, or park in a side street for free and walk 5 minutes. Guess which one I chose?

Pay £8 a day - this is PH afterall.

Not when I'm on £6.50 an hour..........

[Kiltox]

Negative Creep said:

Not when I'm on £6.50 an hour..........

You mean you don't work in finance on a six figure salary?

OUT, YOU CRETIN

[bozmandb9]

Depends on the job, maybe if I was head of recruitment for Spearmint Rhino!



Otherwise I'll carry on working for myself. That's a though, if I charge myself loads of money to park at work will it save me some tax???

[CraigyMc]

Negative Creep said:

eliot said:

Negative Creep said:

I have the choice of paying £8 a day to park outside my work, or park in a side street for free and walk 5 minutes. Guess which one I chose?

Pay £8 a day - this is PH afterall.

Not when I'm on £6.50 an hour..........

I had to go and look up the minimum wage because of this comment (well, because I'm that way inclined, and your comment).

Minimum wage for people 21+ is £5.93/h, so £237.20 per week assuming 40h, or £200.67 per week after tax and NI (assuming no disability etc). I'm astounded by that.

The poverty line is calculated by 60% of median income after housing costs, meaning basically everyone on minimum wage is already below the poverty line. Staggering.

Er, sorry for thread drift... as you were

C

[xr287]

CraigyMc said:

The poverty line is calculated by 60% of median income after housing costs, meaning basically everyone on minimum wage is already below the poverty line. Staggering.

What is median income nowadays, about 18k? I think average is something like £24k but highly skewed by high earners.

[NHK244V]

cheaper than a car park by FAR !

[Chicane-UK]

The Loughborough scheme is laughable especially the last point about public transport.

My partner is keen to do her bit for the environment and looked into public transport as an option to get to where she works. She established that instead of her 30/40 mile commute she could take:

• Bus to the train station
• A train
• Two more busses

Downsides included trying to carry teaching materials, marking, books, etc and a very limited window of times to get the train, etc whereby it meant if she missed one single "link in the chain" she'd end up unable to get home. So the blanket answer about public transport often being cheaper.. what a fking joke.

[Negative Creep]

CraigyMc said:

Negative Creep said:

eliot said:

Negative Creep said:

I have the choice of paying £8 a day to park outside my work, or park in a side street for free and walk 5 minutes. Guess which one I chose?

Pay £8 a day - this is PH afterall.

Not when I'm on £6.50 an hour..........

I had to go and look up the minimum wage because of this comment (well, because I'm that way inclined, and your comment).

Minimum wage for people 21+ is £5.93/h, so £237.20 per week assuming 40h, or £200.67 per week after tax and NI (assuming no disability etc). I'm astounded by that.

The poverty line is calculated by 60% of median income after housing costs, meaning basically everyone on minimum wage is already below the poverty line. Staggering.

Er, sorry for thread drift... as you were

C

Without wanting to go into "woe is me" mode, once you include the cost of commuting I am about £20 a week better off doing this job then if I just sat on the dole and I've only just been put on the proper tax code so I was acutally on less. It's enough to survive, but nothing more

[xr287]

Negative Creep said:

Without wanting to go into "woe is me" mode, once you include the cost of commuting I am about £20 a week better off doing this job then if I just sat on the dole and I've only just been put on the proper tax code so I was acutally on less. It's enough to survive, but nothing more

No wonder so many ppl don't bother and just live off benefits then.

[eliot]

Negative Creep said:

Without wanting to go into "woe is me" mode, once you include the cost of commuting I am about £20 a week better off doing this job then if I just sat on the dole and I've only just been put on the proper tax code so I was acutally on less. It's enough to survive, but nothing more

You are to be congratulated sir. Sure you could sit on the dole - but the dole is the dole. You dont get experience or a pay rise on the dole.

[va1o]

Basing parking charges on CO2 emissions is an absolute joke IMO, hope it doesn't take of.

[ChairsWithHairs]

The background to this is some local residents who feel strongly about the 'university parking issue'. There are very few of them, most are retired and have nothing else to do - it's their hobby. They want the university to make anti-car noises due to environmental, traffic and local parking issues. I've witnessed a neighbour of a relation watch a student park on a public street, and then dash out to catch them and give them five sheets of A4 on why they should not be parking there (no other cars were parked on the street at the time, but he claimed verbally that university parking made it impossible for residents to navigate out of their drives).

Most residents recognise that 1) there's no issue really, live and let live 2) parking a taxed car on a public road is legal 3) Loughborough university is the largest employer and source of income for the town, and is the single reason Loughborough is noteworthy in any form.

Note, for some reason the individuals think that charging staff for on-university parking will help their 'parking problem' in the streets near the university!

[dxg]

ChairsWithHairs said:

The background to this is some local residents who feel strongly about the 'university parking issue'. There are very few of them, most are retired and have nothing else to do - it's their hobby. They want the university to make anti-car noises due to environmental, traffic and local parking issues. I've witnessed a neighbour of a relation watch a student park on a public street, and then dash out to catch them and give them five sheets of A4 on why they should not be parking there (no other cars were parked on the street at the time, but he claimed verbally that university parking made it impossible for residents to navigate out of their drives).

Most residents recognise that 1) there's no issue really, live and let live 2) parking a taxed car on a public road is legal 3) Loughborough university is the largest employer and source of income for the town, and is the single reason Loughborough is noteworthy in any form.

Note, for some reason the individuals think that charging staff for on-university parking will help their 'parking problem' in the streets near the university!

I love to know more about this. Can you PM me if you don't want to discuss in public. I'm guessing you're talking about the "forest side" residents.

[CraigyMc]

xr287 said:

CraigyMc said:

The poverty line is calculated by 60% of median income after housing costs, meaning basically everyone on minimum wage is already below the poverty line. Staggering.

What is median income nowadays, about 18k? I think average is something like £24k but highly skewed by high earners.

#

It depends to a large extent on what you want to count. Men get paid more, full timers get paid more. The statistics the gubbermint uses tends towards the PAYE system, which lots of people don't use (especially the high earners).

Here's somewhere to start - I think the thread has drifted about a zillion miles from where it started though!
http://www.statistics.gov.uk/pdfdir/ashe1210.pdf

C

ps. Hats off to Neg Creep for actually doing the right thing.

[Gaspode]

dxg said:

The campus is huge and your can be timetabled to finish one lecture at, say, 10am, with the other starting at 10am three quarters of a mile away!

Colleagues have been know to jump in their cars to get from one end of campus to the other, because "there's no other way to do it." Me? I finish the first lecture 15 minutes early and walk...

Yebbut to be fair, how many students have lectures outside a relatively small area? When I was there nearly all (1977 - 1980) my lectures were in Eggington, with a couple in that old building near the (then brand new) Student Union building.

Edit to correct my rubbish memory - Eggington was the flats, lectures were in Brockington building. The old place was Hazlerigg.

Edited by Gaspode on Monday 16th May 20:31

[CraigyMc]

Gaspode said:

dxg said:

The campus is huge and your can be timetabled to finish one lecture at, say, 10am, with the other starting at 10am three quarters of a mile away!

Colleagues have been know to jump in their cars to get from one end of campus to the other, because "there's no other way to do it." Me? I finish the first lecture 15 minutes early and walk...

Yebbut to be fair, how many students have lectures outside a relatively small area? When I was there nearly all (1977 - 1980) my lectures were in Eggington, with a couple in that old building near the (then brand new) Student Union building.

Presumably given the Uni's reputation for sports, they just expect everyone to run from one end of campus to the other?

:/
C