A real HHO engine?

[joebongo]

If nothing else, there's lots of V8 burble to listen to.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Py8QYt54EpE&fea...

[joebongo]

Perhaps I should have elaborated more.

In this vid from last year these guys are demonstrating a big ass Dodge RAM or similar running from a hydrogen generator. They show that the tank is empty, try to run it on petrol to no avail as it's empty and show the gubbins in the back that produces the hydrogen. They also show the current voltage problem they have and the need for the HHO to build up pressure etc.

It's a bit cheesey American but seems honest.

The thing I wondered was if the PH engineers could debunk it or is this possible.

I can't sell my 740 sport for anything like the value if the parts I have replaced and am tempted to look into this as a conversion project. Obviously if it's bks I won't.

[James Dean]

So, is it possible or not?

[joebongo]

I've done some searching and this one about sums it up:

http://pesn.com/2011/05/05/9501827_Mister_X_aka_Fr...

Basically no clear plans available, websites have been taken down, youtube accounts closed etc blah and the guy(s) have had many attempts on their lives made.

I'm 50/50 on whether it's total BS or whether they really do have something and the corrupt gov/world oil are leaning on them for real.

[V88Dicky]

I thought the energy required to crack water into hydrogen (and O2) was far greater than the energy gained from the said gas.
Like perpetual motion if you like, or running wind turbines without massive subsidies.

[crofty1984]

You can convert an IC engine to run on hydrogen.
You can get hydrogen from the electrolysis of water.

You could, if you wanted, fit a bank of HV batteries to a car, that would run a mini electrolysis system you could fit into the back of the car. So you would technically pour water in one end and run the engine out of the other end.

HOWEVER! Due to the amount of energy the elecrolysis takes, inherent losses in energy conversions, etc. you'd be a lot bettever off just wiring the batteries up to an electric motor and running the car as an EV.

[Lanxx]

I can see a lot of oil companies and goodness knows who else that profits from oil wanting this guy to shut up. I wouldn't be surprised if when he tried to release his plans he mysteriously disappeared forever...

[MorrisCRX]

I was under the impression that this had already been done. The only issue being that the storage medium is Lithium something or another that's used in the construction of bloody big bombs and for some reason banned form commercial use.

Or so I heard.

[wombat172a]

bks, plain and simple.

[James Dean]

So in 2050 when petrol is 100£/L you'll be able to retrofit such a kit to your then ancient Lamborghini Countach?

[joebongo]

More stuff:

The new website:

http://www.fecllc.us/

There's a Yahoo group with stuff there which is over my head:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Freddys_Cell/

A forum which has discussed it a bit:

http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/755...



I also thought the energy in to make the HHO was greater than the energy out but reading it more it looks like they're not doing that. What I think it does is to alter the chemical structure to make the combustible Brown's gas which then releases the "proper" energy when burned which in turn runs the car and charges the batteries. If that is the case then this doesn't break the laws of thermodynamics.

[gopher44]

Numerous conspiracy theories exist that this technology has been invented and re-invented for years and blocked/buried/etc by oil companies and governments.

I personally think its a load of rubbish. Correct me if I'm wrong but an internal combustion engine (especially a clonking great V8), alternator and all the electrolysis kit can't possibly be efficient enough to sustain the whole thing. Nice idea but just not possible with current tech.

[wombat172a]

gopher44 said:

Numerous conspiracy theories exist that this technology has been invented and re-invented for years and blocked/buried/etc by oil companies and governments.

I personally think its a load of rubbish. Correct me if I'm wrong but an internal combustion engine (especially a clonking great V8), alternator and all the electrolysis kit can't possibly be efficient enough to sustain the whole thing. Nice idea but just not possible with current tech.

Agreed the only way to get a substantial amount of usable energy from water is to combine the hydrogen nuclei through nuclear fusion. However, that is still along way off.

For those who are interested see here for the current state on ITER http://www.iter.org/

Are these guys saying that not only have they beaten an international multi-billion pound experiment with hundreds of engineers and scientists, but have also managed to fit it into the boot of a car?

[ZeeTacoe]

joebongo said:

I also thought the energy in to make the HHO was greater than the energy out but reading it more it looks like they're not doing that. What I think it does is to alter the chemical structure to make the combustible Brown's gas which then releases the "proper" energy when burned which in turn runs the car and charges the batteries. If that is the case then this doesn't break the laws of thermodynamics.

Bullst