RE: 799bhp 'Mega McLaren' Due In 2014?
Discussion
I'm bored of this new Mclaren 'road car push' already. They lost me the moment I read 'turbo'. Turbos' are exciting things from the 1980s, useful things in the world of diesel, and eco things in the world of petrol.
I want n/a, high revs (with dodgy driveability below 5000rpm), and incredible noise. I want a manual f
king gearbox and 5mpg. I don't want a fking 5litre turbo engine. A BMW 5 series has one of those.
Great on Mclaren for making great cars, but if they really want to stick around and rule the world they have to make something animal.
I want n/a, high revs (with dodgy driveability below 5000rpm), and incredible noise. I want a manual f
king gearbox and 5mpg. I don't want a fking 5litre turbo engine. A BMW 5 series has one of those. Great on Mclaren for making great cars, but if they really want to stick around and rule the world they have to make something animal.
Being super fast is just not good enough any more. Many cars are super fast, for a lot more or a lot less money. With unlimited funds, some brains and good management anything less would be a total failure by McLaren.
If you want to go fast round a track buy a race car. If you want to sit in London traffic with your shopping in the back buy a Golf. If you wany some sunday morning fun buy a classic.
This car is a massive compromise with some great marketing pushing its sales. This car will not change the world, it is not remarkable in any way.
- It is not a significant technology step.
- It is not a new niche market.
- It is not on time.
- It is not even a wonderful piece of art (OK that is subjective).
To be a success over the competition it must be commercial success, not just faster, bigger or louder. Commercial success is the only measure that can compare vehicles at this level - and we'll never no the answer to that.
Now stop acting like the sheep in the field at the MTC.
If you want to go fast round a track buy a race car. If you want to sit in London traffic with your shopping in the back buy a Golf. If you wany some sunday morning fun buy a classic.
This car is a massive compromise with some great marketing pushing its sales. This car will not change the world, it is not remarkable in any way.
- It is not a significant technology step.
- It is not a new niche market.
- It is not on time.
- It is not even a wonderful piece of art (OK that is subjective).
To be a success over the competition it must be commercial success, not just faster, bigger or louder. Commercial success is the only measure that can compare vehicles at this level - and we'll never no the answer to that.
Now stop acting like the sheep in the field at the MTC.
Howard1650 said:
This car is a massive compromise with some great marketing pushing its sales. This car will not change the world, it is not remarkable in any way.
and if you want all of those cars in one, because you don't want to drive a golf through the week...
Howard1650 said:
- It is not a significant technology step.
yes it is, for a road car, in this price bracket, it is.Howard1650 said:
- It is not a new niche market.
it was aimed specifically at a rival. thus, you can't rival opposition AND be in a niche market. the super fast sports market exists, it's aim was to go in there, better than the rest at both being fast as well as practical. again, it so far seems to have succeeded going by just about EVERY review of people who have actually driven it.Howard1650 said:
- It is not on time.
that changes the way the car drives how exactly?Howard1650 said:
To be a success over the competition it must be commercial success......
McLaren have already filled their allocated build slots for a few years already. pretty good going i think they'd say.E21_Ross said:
Howard1650 said:
This car is a massive compromise with some great marketing pushing its sales. This car will not change the world, it is not remarkable in any way.
and if you want all of those cars in one, because you don't want to drive a golf through the week...
Howard1650 said:
- It is not a significant technology step.
yes it is, for a road car, in this price bracket, it is.Howard1650 said:
- It is not a new niche market.
it was aimed specifically at a rival. thus, you can't rival opposition AND be in a niche market. the super fast sports market exists, it's aim was to go in there, better than the rest at both being fast as well as practical. again, it so far seems to have succeeded going by just about EVERY review of people who have actually driven it.Howard1650 said:
- It is not on time.
that changes the way the car drives how exactly?Howard1650 said:
To be a success over the competition it must be commercial success......
McLaren have already filled their allocated build slots for a few years already. pretty good going i think they'd say.really, this new car is the only practical and economical way for MCL to go forwards. They have spent a vast sum of someone elses money developing a world class "mid exotic" car, which if you take a few estimations of their costs and buisness models, will probably need to sell all of the predicted volume over the next 3 years to break even. Now i'm sure this was the investors plan all along, after all, to make money you have to develop a brand and customer base first.
This next "hyper exotic" car effectively leverages all the existing developed parts from the original car (powertrain, chassis, and electronic system integration), adds a small extra cost (more engine power & re-style) but commands a much larger price, which, handily is capable of being "adjusted" without affecting sales volume (i.e. sell it for £400k, and it's already so expensive that if you have to bump that up to say £450k before the launch, not one of the customers will so much as blink an eyelid!)
trying to "outdo" the 911 in the sub £75k market would have been a VERY brave move at this point in MCL's life, because the price actually starts to affect sales volumes, so if your model development project goes overbudget, you are stuck as you can't raise the price too much, and it will require much more expensive "marketing" to sell a higher volume. (unlike the hyper exotic which pretty much sells itself)
It should also be noted, that in these uncertain and unstable economic times, the "hyper exotic" car has been relatively unaffected when compared to the more common "affordable" (sic) sportscar market. (the sort of person who can splash £400k on a toy, isn't suddenly going to be "poor", something not so true for people maybe stretching up to say an entry level 911 (on finance etc))
This next "hyper exotic" car effectively leverages all the existing developed parts from the original car (powertrain, chassis, and electronic system integration), adds a small extra cost (more engine power & re-style) but commands a much larger price, which, handily is capable of being "adjusted" without affecting sales volume (i.e. sell it for £400k, and it's already so expensive that if you have to bump that up to say £450k before the launch, not one of the customers will so much as blink an eyelid!)
trying to "outdo" the 911 in the sub £75k market would have been a VERY brave move at this point in MCL's life, because the price actually starts to affect sales volumes, so if your model development project goes overbudget, you are stuck as you can't raise the price too much, and it will require much more expensive "marketing" to sell a higher volume. (unlike the hyper exotic which pretty much sells itself)
It should also be noted, that in these uncertain and unstable economic times, the "hyper exotic" car has been relatively unaffected when compared to the more common "affordable" (sic) sportscar market. (the sort of person who can splash £400k on a toy, isn't suddenly going to be "poor", something not so true for people maybe stretching up to say an entry level 911 (on finance etc))
Edited by anonymous-user on Tuesday 17th May 10:26
Howard1650 said:
To be a success over the competition it must be commercial success, not just faster, bigger or louder. Commercial success is the only measure that can compare vehicles at this level - and we'll never no the answer to that.
Now stop acting like the sheep in the field at the MTC.
I'm pretty sure we'll get to "no" how many they sell.Now stop acting like the sheep in the field at the MTC.
Tell me, how much should MB spend on the next C class to outsell the 3 series? Why haven't they already?
There is nothing in this car that is remarkable. Great it goes super fast around a track, but so what. The rest of the time driving it you're looking like a prick with more money then style. Buy a plane that goes fast, very fast. Or buy a super cool yatch to pose on. Buy a piece of the rain forest... anything but this car.
What does it do that is 'new' ? - the answer is nothing, therefore it is not a significant vehicle.
As an example the Tesla, while not a great car, is a significant step forward.
The Aston Martin One-77 is a gorgeous piece of art (and at £1M a pop - money making).
This car is unlikely to make any money, becuase of the 'modest' price. The therefore is a fake. Just the current car with a bigger engine. It's real purpose is as a lose leader for the smaller MaLaren car. Just something to push the brand along in the hope of selling 20k smaller cars in 5 years time.
What does it do that is 'new' ? - the answer is nothing, therefore it is not a significant vehicle.
As an example the Tesla, while not a great car, is a significant step forward.
The Aston Martin One-77 is a gorgeous piece of art (and at £1M a pop - money making).
This car is unlikely to make any money, becuase of the 'modest' price. The therefore is a fake. Just the current car with a bigger engine. It's real purpose is as a lose leader for the smaller MaLaren car. Just something to push the brand along in the hope of selling 20k smaller cars in 5 years time.
Edited by Howard1650 on Tuesday 17th May 10:43
Edited by Howard1650 on Tuesday 17th May 10:44
Howard1650 said:
There is nothing in this car that is remarkable. Great it goes super fast around a track, but so what. The rest of the time driving it you're look like a pick with more money then style. Buy a plane that goes fast, very fast. Or buy a super cool yatch to pose on. Buy a piece of the rain forest... any thing but this car.
What does it do that is 'new' ? - the answer is nothing, therefore it is not a significant vehicle.
As an example the Tesla, while not a great car, is a significant step forward.
The Aston Martin One-77 is a gorgeous piece of art (and at £1M a pop - money making).
This car is unlikely to make any money, becuase of the 'modest' price. The therefore is a fake. Just the current car with a bigger engine. It's real purpose is as lose leader for the smaller MaLaren car. Just something to push the brand along in the hope of selling 20k smaller cars in 5 years time.
Seriously..?What does it do that is 'new' ? - the answer is nothing, therefore it is not a significant vehicle.
As an example the Tesla, while not a great car, is a significant step forward.
The Aston Martin One-77 is a gorgeous piece of art (and at £1M a pop - money making).
This car is unlikely to make any money, becuase of the 'modest' price. The therefore is a fake. Just the current car with a bigger engine. It's real purpose is as lose leader for the smaller MaLaren car. Just something to push the brand along in the hope of selling 20k smaller cars in 5 years time.
LDN said:
Howard1650 said:
There is nothing in this car that is remarkable. Great it goes super fast around a track, but so what. The rest of the time driving it you're look like a pick with more money then style. Buy a plane that goes fast, very fast. Or buy a super cool yatch to pose on. Buy a piece of the rain forest... any thing but this car.
What does it do that is 'new' ? - the answer is nothing, therefore it is not a significant vehicle.
As an example the Tesla, while not a great car, is a significant step forward.
The Aston Martin One-77 is a gorgeous piece of art (and at £1M a pop - money making).
This car is unlikely to make any money, becuase of the 'modest' price. The therefore is a fake. Just the current car with a bigger engine. It's real purpose is as lose leader for the smaller MaLaren car. Just something to push the brand along in the hope of selling 20k smaller cars in 5 years time.
Seriously..?What does it do that is 'new' ? - the answer is nothing, therefore it is not a significant vehicle.
As an example the Tesla, while not a great car, is a significant step forward.
The Aston Martin One-77 is a gorgeous piece of art (and at £1M a pop - money making).
This car is unlikely to make any money, becuase of the 'modest' price. The therefore is a fake. Just the current car with a bigger engine. It's real purpose is as lose leader for the smaller MaLaren car. Just something to push the brand along in the hope of selling 20k smaller cars in 5 years time.
howard, again, what car do you drive? curious to see whether it's something interesting and something that moved the game on. doesn't have to be expensive, just special
it must be if it makes you happy. or maybe it doesn't, judging by just about every single post you've posted on PH.Howard1650 said:
There is nothing in this car that is remarkable. Great it goes super fast around a track, but so what. The rest of the time driving it you're looking like a prick with more money then style.
First of all, no-one knows what it looks like, so how you know that the driver will look like a prick, I'm not sure.Edited by Howard1650 on Tuesday 17th May 10:43
Edited by Howard1650 on Tuesday 17th May 10:44
Secondly, we know very little about any new technologies being used. If the MP4-12C is anything to go on, we can expect engineering, performance and road handling never before see in this price sector or possibly even a road car at all.
Lastly, I reckon a £400K car that accelerates to 300Km'h in under 20 seconds and that beats a £2 Million Veyron SS to the same speed is pretty remarkable.
Only my opinion of course
Lambo FirstBlood said:
Howard1650 said:
There is nothing in this car that is remarkable. Great it goes super fast around a track, but so what. The rest of the time driving it you're looking like a prick with more money then style.
First of all, no-one knows what it looks like, so how you know that the driver will look like a prick, I'm not sure.Edited by Howard1650 on Tuesday 17th May 10:43
Edited by Howard1650 on Tuesday 17th May 10:44
Secondly, we know very little about any new technologies being used. If the MP4-12C is anything to go on, we can expect engineering, performance and road handling never before see in this price sector or possibly even a road car at all.
Lastly, I reckon a £400K car that accelerates to 300Km'h in under 20 seconds and that beats a £2 Million Veyron SS to the same speed is pretty remarkable.
Only my opinion of course
E21_Ross said:
i think he's talking about the MP4-12C, which hasn't moved the game on at all apparently!
Nor will this car with it's dull 4 wheels, body and engine. No one is thinking outside of the box or creating anything new.What if they made it the shape of a duck or fitted a toilet into the seat which recycled your mud into fuel? What if you drove it while facing backwards using just the movement of your eyebrows? What if it was made of leaves held together by ants?
I'm with Howard, this is a s
t car and does nothing an early 90s Micra can't do.DonkeyApple said:
What if they made it the shape of a duck or fitted a toilet into the seat which recycled your mud into fuel? What if you drove it while facing backwards using just the movement of your eyebrows? What if it was made of leaves held together by ants?
Now that's a car, just add a oven to the spec and tell the Chinese.Gassing Station | General Gassing | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff