RE: 799bhp 'Mega McLaren' Due In 2014?

[deveng]

Howard1650 said:

E21_Ross said:

Howard1650 said:

RobCrezz said:

You don't think its good enough? Have you read anything about the MP4-12C, they are doing things very different compared to the other manufacturers! The suspension tech, the chassis tech, the electronics....

Active suspension - didn't Senna have that in a GP car 20 years ago. A modular chassis - over 15 years, Lotus built 10 models off the same chassis, and we all bhed about that in the end. A engine that's not a McLaren but designed by another company.

The car is just another 'gas oven' with nice buttons, where is the 'mircowave'. This is the technology jump I want to see. Not just faster. Faster is no longer good enough.

you really are being silly, you know that. McLaren have moved the game on big time with this car for the market. what car do you drive that is so special?

Are you saying the MP4-12C is too slow? They haven't sold (delivered) one car yet and its already too slow. What will the footballers buy?, now that the MP4-12C is not the top card in the pack. Do you stick with a SMEG oven or move to an item that is unique, that no one can 'buy better'.

Going faster in the battle of top trumps is not longer a winner.

What's your obsession with cooking appliances?

And we in 1985 we had a Delorean that time travelled, and by 1989 it was running on household waste. Honestly, its true, I watched a couple documentaries about it.

[GroundEffect]

rhinochopig said:

Why not just make it 800bhp - 799bhp is such an odd figure. Is there an 800bhp+ tax waiting in the wings or something?

Power is the output of an engine. It's not like it's one of the values that you put *in* in the design phase. If the 799BHP value is correct, it's just the power that's produced from a 5.0 V8 Turbo @ 7500rpm. You can't just say "I'll add one more HP to appease the OCD fraternity". You'd have to go back to the drawing board and see what you can improve in order to get that one extra Pony-Power.

[E21_Ross]

Howard1650 said:

E21_Ross said:

Howard1650 said:

RobCrezz said:

You don't think its good enough? Have you read anything about the MP4-12C, they are doing things very different compared to the other manufacturers! The suspension tech, the chassis tech, the electronics....

Active suspension - didn't Senna have that in a GP car 20 years ago. A modular chassis - over 15 years, Lotus built 10 models off the same chassis, and we all bhed about that in the end. A engine that's not a McLaren but designed by another company.

The car is just another 'gas oven' with nice buttons, where is the 'mircowave'. This is the technology jump I want to see. Not just faster. Faster is no longer good enough.

you really are being silly, you know that. McLaren have moved the game on big time with this car for the market. what car do you drive that is so special?

Are you saying the MP4-12C is too slow?

you must be stupid or very sarcastic. the MP4-12C annihilates the competition. McLaren staff have said at the top gear track it's "quicker than anything else with a roof and doors". suggesting it's quicker than the veyron supersport.

for a car which is "reasonably" priced and is bloody well specced, that's seriously good going, and is innovative. you say they haven't moved the game on? you're blind....

[Howard1650]

deveng said:

What's your obsession with cooking appliances?

And we in 1985 we had a Delorean that time travelled, and by 1989 it was running on household waste. Honestly, its true, I watched a couple documentaries about it.

Everyone knows that the Flux Capacitor was a Kenwood mixer. The gas burner was connected all wrong. Just look at blue flames from the exhausts, the calibration was all wrong. My white van is still faster, even with a 8 burner Rayburn in the back.

My point is in ten years time this car will just appear in a list of other superfast cars from the early 2010s. There is nothing, absolutely nothing that makes it standout.

[E21_Ross]

Howard1650 said:

deveng said:

What's your obsession with cooking appliances?

And we in 1985 we had a Delorean that time travelled, and by 1989 it was running on household waste. Honestly, its true, I watched a couple documentaries about it.

Everyone knows that the Flux Capacitor was a Kenwood mixer. The gas burner was connected all wrong. Just look at blue flames from the exhausts, the calibration was all wrong. My white van is still faster, even with a 8 burner Rayburn in the back.

My point is in ten years time this car will just appear in a list of other superfast cars from the early 2010s. There is nothing, absolutely nothing that makes it standout.

apart from the first car with a complete carbon tub for the market category? the first without anti roll bars and with hydraulically controlled suspension, the first car to be hypercar-beating performance for super car money, as well as air con, cruise control, heated seats, all the creature comforts you need from a daily driver including (and i quote from someone who has actually driven one) "as comfy as a merc E class, but upon changing direction, sharper than a [997] GT3"

name me another car which has done that even remotely in the price bracket of this car. name me just 1 car.

i call a troll! nobody is this stupid

[will261058]

Howard1650 said:

deveng said:

What's your obsession with cooking appliances?

And we in 1985 we had a Delorean that time travelled, and by 1989 it was running on household waste. Honestly, its true, I watched a couple documentaries about it.

Everyone knows that the Flux Capacitor was a Kenwood mixer. The gas burner was connected all wrong. Just look at blue flames from the exhausts, the calibration was all wrong. My white van is still faster, even with a 8 burner Rayburn in the back.

My point is in ten years time this car will just appear in a list of other superfast cars from the early 2010s. There is nothing, absolutely nothing that makes it standout.

Howard why are you having a go at McLaren anyway? Just because this car isnt quite the "Big Bang" you would like to see is not their fault. This car has many new features as has been mentioned by E21 Ross that completely justify its production. You need to lighten up stop attacking McLaren for doing what McLaren does and indeed what they all try to do i.e. keep ahead of the competition.

[E21_Ross]

will261058 said:

Howard1650 said:

deveng said:

What's your obsession with cooking appliances?

And we in 1985 we had a Delorean that time travelled, and by 1989 it was running on household waste. Honestly, its true, I watched a couple documentaries about it.

Everyone knows that the Flux Capacitor was a Kenwood mixer. The gas burner was connected all wrong. Just look at blue flames from the exhausts, the calibration was all wrong. My white van is still faster, even with a 8 burner Rayburn in the back.

My point is in ten years time this car will just appear in a list of other superfast cars from the early 2010s. There is nothing, absolutely nothing that makes it standout.

Howard why are you having a go at McLaren anyway? Just because this car isnt quite the "Big Bang" you would like to see is not their fault. This car has many new features as has been mentioned by E21 Ross that completely justify its production. You need to lighten up stop attacking McLaren for doing what McLaren does and indeed what they all try to do i.e. keep ahead of the competition.

he's a miserable sod. look through his post history, don't think any of them have been positive. sure he's a fun person to be around though

i thought maybe he was just a troll on this thread. maybe he's just a cock instead

[P9UNK]

E21_Ross said:

you must be stupid or very sarcastic. the MP4-12C annihilates the competition. McLaren staff have said at the top gear track it's "quicker than anything else with a roof and doors". suggesting it's quicker than the veyron supersport.

for a car which is "reasonably" priced and is bloody well specced, that's seriously good going, and is innovative. you say they haven't moved the game on? you're blind....

isn't it a funny old world, the 12C does indeed destroy the competition, yet people who haven't even seen one let alone drive one are on here saying it isn't that good. I think McLaren can rest easy knowing that they are setting the standards and the others will be playing catch up. Well done to them, it is biblical stuff.

[rhinochopig]

GroundEffect said:

rhinochopig said:

Why not just make it 800bhp - 799bhp is such an odd figure. Is there an 800bhp+ tax waiting in the wings or something?

Power is the output of an engine. It's not like it's one of the values that you put *in* in the design phase. If the 799BHP value is correct, it's just the power that's produced from a 5.0 V8 Turbo @ 7500rpm. You can't just say "I'll add one more HP to appease the OCD fraternity". You'd have to go back to the drawing board and see what you can improve in order to get that one extra Pony-Power.

Sorry but that's simply not the case. Power is often defined at the design phase as the gearbox, drive shafts, etc. all need to be specified to be able to cope with the power of the engine. You simply can't do serial development on a car as the costs would be too high. Most of the components will be developed in parallel.

Also, the power produced by the engine as sold is not what the engine capable of producing - noise, emission, fuel quality, power delivery, reliability testing, component costs, etc. etc. all dictate to an extent how much that engine will produce. During the development phase engine power can quite easily be tweaked by reducing the conservatism built in in one of the afore mentioned areas.

[Howard1650]

E21_Ross said:

apart from the first car with a complete carbon tub for the market category? the first without anti roll bars and with hydraulically controlled suspension, the first car to be hypercar-beating performance for super car money, as well as air con, cruise control, heated seats, all the creature comforts you need from a daily driver including (and i quote from someone who has actually driven one) "as comfy as a merc E class, but upon changing direction, sharper than a [997] GT3"

name me another car which has done that even remotely in the price bracket of this car. name me just 1 car.

i call a troll! nobody is this stupid

What is so great about the carbon tub, when it failed its side crash test and had to be strengthen. Adding endless weight and is now about the same as a alui honeycomb chassis. (It had to be carbon for 'marketing' reasons not for 'engineering' reasons - carbon is a negative point from a pure engineering view)

Merc E is as comfy as a Mondeo, which is a comfy as a Golf, and just like any other can produced today - pointless.

Direction change - great on a race track, pointless on the M25 or even the B406. I want a car that's challenge to drive. Otherwise I'd buy a yatch far 'cooler'

[OlberJ]

E21_Ross said:

you must be stupid or very sarcastic. the MP4-12C annihilates the competition. McLaren staff have said at the top gear track it's "quicker than anything else with a roof and doors". suggesting it's quicker than the veyron supersport.

Quicker than an Ultima GTR?

[ZeeTacoe]

Just which lotus will they copy for this car?

E21_Ross said:

the first without anti roll bars and with hydraulically controlled suspension, the first car to be hypercar-beating performance for super car money, as well as air con, cruise control, heated seats, all the creature comforts you need from a daily driver including (and i quote from someone who has actually driven one) "as comfy as a merc E class, but upon changing direction, sharper than a [997] GT3"

Citroen Activa and it ain't as fast as the only production hypercar nor any of the limited production specials either(Saleen,Viper TT,etc)

[Terminator X]

British Beef said:

Short of popping to the future and returning with "the technology jump", I simply dont thing there is one to be had right now, certainly not advanced enough to be used in an "affordable" car.

The tech jump may be gas turbines ... something in Evo Mag a while back about a future Jag (I think?) powered partly in that way!!

BTW how can anyone diss a Mac with c800hp

TX.

[E21_Ross]

Howard1650 said:

E21_Ross said:

apart from the first car with a complete carbon tub for the market category? the first without anti roll bars and with hydraulically controlled suspension, the first car to be hypercar-beating performance for super car money, as well as air con, cruise control, heated seats, all the creature comforts you need from a daily driver including (and i quote from someone who has actually driven one) "as comfy as a merc E class, but upon changing direction, sharper than a [997] GT3"

name me another car which has done that even remotely in the price bracket of this car. name me just 1 car.

i call a troll! nobody is this stupid

Merc E is as comfy as a Mondeo, which is a comfy as a Golf, and just like any other can produced today - pointless.

you've never been in an E class have you. i'm not responding to any of your posts anymore as you're a fking muppet you've still yet to say what you drive which is obviously so special.

[E21_Ross]

OlberJ said:

Quicker than an Ultima GTR?

don't recall seeing that on the top gear leader boards

think they say this is going to be circa 1:15 or so. pretty special considering it's scope of abilities. IIRC an ultima GTR doesn't even have a reverse gear...?? let alone air con, cruise control, a boot etc etc.

[E21_Ross]

ZeeTacoe said:

Citroen Activa and it ain't as fast as the only production hypercar nor any of the limited production specials either(Saleen,Viper TT,etc)

do you mean in a straight line? in which case, maybe not. i was talking about track times, cornering/braking etc.

[GingerWizard]

I just fecking love Mclaren.

Come on boys, this looks brilliant. 3+G under accleration???/

[OlberJ]

Pffft 1:15?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZAoT427ft1A

[MX5guy]

Howard1650 said:

What is so great about the carbon tub, when it failed its side crash test and had to be strengthen. Adding endless weight and is now about the same as a alui honeycomb chassis. (It had to be carbon for 'marketing' reasons not for 'engineering' reasons - carbon is a negative point from a pure engineering view)

Merc E is as comfy as a Mondeo, which is a comfy as a Golf, and just like any other can produced today - pointless.

Direction change - great on a race track, pointless on the M25 or even the B406. I want a car that's challenge to drive. Otherwise I'd buy a yatch far 'cooler'

Basically for it to be a challange to drive then you don't want anyone to come out with the "microwave", rather you want to go back to the fireplace. Modern cars have much more stuff, which makes them easier to drive relatively. Also the performance/ attention to detail etc now means it's very hard to come up with a completely new design that moves things on a huge step. I guess one of the more recent things would be carbon ceramic brakes. However due to the problems with these in terms of cost/ everyday use etc they are still not properly "there". The mini turbines in the prototype Jag are not being used due to the problem of sucking in debris. What kind of thing do you want to see that will step the game on a large step, and be more of a challange to drive?

[anonymous-user]

GroundEffect said:

Power is the output of an engine. It's not like it's one of the values that you put *in* in the design phase. If the 799BHP value is correct, it's just the power that's produced from a 5.0 V8 Turbo @ 7500rpm. You can't just say "I'll add one more HP to appease the OCD fraternity". You'd have to go back to the drawing board and see what you can improve in order to get that one extra Pony-Power.

That was what I was getting at.