McLaren MP4-12C on Top Gear track

[camshafted]

Rumours circulating it's set a new lap record.

This is from another forum (McLaren Life)

"Laptimes:

1336 kg without Pirelli Corsa tires 1min 14.118 seconds

1301 kg "Light weight package" With Corsa tires 1min 12.915

The Spider that comes next year is less than 0.5 seconds of pace of the coupe's.

MP4-12C GT : 1min 11.409 seconds


MP4-12C GTR (calculated predictions for the GTR) <1min 09 min seconds.

Where does this information comes from? From a McLaren dealer in London who got the info from Paragon (McLaren) :-)

Happy days are here again!"

Well, this would be absolutely mental and would really annoy a particular Italian car maker.

Anyone heard anything about this?

[fatboy69]

Anything that annoys a 'certain Italian car maker' works for me. How long until the new series of TG as if the rumour is true it should be a good lap to watch.

[Stig]

New lap record? Ultima GTR 720 1:09.9 (ironically done whilst using some of McLaren's track time - McLaren regularly test at Dunsfold)

[jamie g]

Non qualifying cars:

1. 0:31.2 BAE Sea Harrier[18]
2. 0:59.0 Renault R24 Formula One car[8] (Wet)
3. 1:08.5 Zonda R[20]
4. 1:08.6 Aston Martin DBR9[10]
5. 1:10.6 Caparo T1[11]
6. 1:10.7 Ferrari FXX[13] (Driven by Michael Schumacher on slick tyres)
7. CAP 232 Aerobatic Plane
8. 1:19.1 Radical SR3[7]
9. 1:22.6 “ Westfield XTR2[6]

Not televised cars:

1. 1:09.9 Ultima GTR720 (Anonymous driver, on slick tyres. Ultima came back on 19 October 2009 and beat both their previous time and that of the £1.1M Ferrari FXX track car

2. 1:12.8 Ultima GTR720 (Anonymous driver, on road tyres, sponsored by Ultima Sports.

3 1:17.4 Caterham 7 CSR 260 (Driven by Rob Jenkinson, sponsored by Dunlop Tyres Injection.

[Rich_W]

camshafted said:

Rumours circulating it's set a new lap record.

This is from another forum (McLaren Life)

"Laptimes:

1336 kg without Pirelli Corsa tires 1min 14.118 seconds

1301 kg "Light weight package" With Corsa tires 1min 12.915

The Spider that comes next year is less than 0.5 seconds of pace of the coupe's.

MP4-12C GT : 1min 11.409 seconds


MP4-12C GTR (calculated predictions for the GTR) <1min 09 min seconds.

Where does this information comes from? From a McLaren dealer in London who got the info from Paragon (McLaren) :-)

Happy days are here again!"

Well, this would be absolutely mental and would really annoy a particular Italian car maker.

Anyone heard anything about this?

What a load of cobblers. Whilst McL do a hell of a lot of running at Dunsfold (they even have a unit there) there is no way that car with those tyres and that engine and that weight will be that fast. I mean it's no small hatchback so it'll be very quick. But they haven't even shown a ring time yet!

And where's the "lightweight spec" from? McL haven't even mentioned that. Same as "GT" or even "GTR" spec. More Internet bks!

And on a side note where has all this Ferrari hatred come from in the last 12 months? Supercar praise is not an Either/Or arrangement! F458 is fantastic. GT2/3RS are fantastic. 12C is fantastic (maybe not my choice though)

[arfur]

Rich_W said:

camshafted said:

Rumours circulating it's set a new lap record.

This is from another forum (McLaren Life)

"Laptimes:

1336 kg without Pirelli Corsa tires 1min 14.118 seconds

1301 kg "Light weight package" With Corsa tires 1min 12.915

The Spider that comes next year is less than 0.5 seconds of pace of the coupe's.

MP4-12C GT : 1min 11.409 seconds


MP4-12C GTR (calculated predictions for the GTR) <1min 09 min seconds.

Where does this information comes from? From a McLaren dealer in London who got the info from Paragon (McLaren) :-)

Happy days are here again!"

Well, this would be absolutely mental and would really annoy a particular Italian car maker.

Anyone heard anything about this?

What a load of cobblers. Whilst McL do a hell of a lot of running at Dunsfold (they even have a unit there) there is no way that car with those tyres and that engine and that weight will be that fast. I mean it's no small hatchback so it'll be very quick. But they haven't even shown a ring time yet!

And where's the "lightweight spec" from? McL haven't even mentioned that. Same as "GT" or even "GTR" spec. More Internet bks!

And on a side note where has all this Ferrari hatred come from in the last 12 months? Supercar praise is not an Either/Or arrangement! F458 is fantastic. GT2/3RS are fantastic. 12C is fantastic (maybe not my choice though)

I would suggest that the lightweight is the one before you add all the crap on the online configurator !

[Killer2005]

As much as it is a brilliant car, I've just watched the episode with the V8 Atom which did a 1:15.1, and I really dont see it beating that. Maybe I could see it getting a time around a high 1:18 or so, with the lightweight version around a second quicker.

As for the Ferrari hatred, you only need to see an F1 thread to see how its been around for some time now.

[Hunky Dory]

Rich_W said:

And where's the "lightweight spec" from? McL haven't even mentioned that. Same as "GT" or even "GTR" spec. More Internet bks!

I thought they had announced a GT3 version some months ago? The "lap time" would suggest it would be some sort of race spec car at least?

[Rich_W]

Hunky Dory said:

Rich_W said:

And where's the "lightweight spec" from? McL haven't even mentioned that. Same as "GT" or even "GTR" spec. More Internet bks!

I thought they had announced a GT3 version some months ago? The "lap time" would suggest it would be some sort of race spec car at least?

THey did. But so far they've annouced "Road car" and "GT3" car. Given their approach to marketting they would ahve mentioned a LTW or GT or GTR spec as well. But they haven't so it suggests to me that people are inventing things again. On the internets. Who knew

[kambites]

It would be astonishing if it could get anywhere near the Caparo.

[Scuffers]

Killer2005 said:

As much as it is a brilliant car, I've just watched the episode with the V8 Atom which did a 1:15.1, and I really dont see it beating that. Maybe I could see it getting a time around a high 1:18 or so, with the lightweight version around a second quicker.

As for the Ferrari hatred, you only need to see an F1 thread to see how its been around for some time now.

realistically, the Atom is not that fast (awaits howels of protest), there are faster cars out there.

the TG track needs a car that has good power/speed and that can brake/turn in accurately, Atom might have a good P/W, but it's handling is shocking and aero is non-existent.

[Scuffers]

kambites said:

It would be astonishing if it could get anywhere near the Caparo.

why?

Caparo has never really shown any real pace (relative to what it's spec's would imply)

[andyclax1]

Not many customers believe these claims also,chris goodwin has said on record that the 12c has beaten the track record for production cars with a roof and doors,i asked him directly on a test day at dunsfold and he confirmed
this ,saying it beats the bug ss but not the Atom v8,so a time between 1:16.7 and 1:15.1 is possible

[andyclax1]

Rich_W said:

What a load of cobblers. Whilst McL do a hell of a lot of running at Dunsfold (they even have a unit there) there is no way that car with those tyres and that engine and that weight will be that fast. I mean it's no small hatchback so it'll be very quick. But they haven't even shown a ring time yet!

And where's the "lightweight spec" from? McL haven't even mentioned that. Same as "GT" or even "GTR" spec. More Internet bks!

And on a side note where has all this Ferrari hatred come from in the last 12 months? Supercar praise is not an Either/Or arrangement! F458 is fantastic. GT2/3RS are fantastic. 12C is fantastic (maybe not my choice though)

The light weight spec is the standard car with all the lightweight options,and the heavier car has all the heavy options (electic seats etc),these weights are without fluids

[Streetrod]

Rich_W said:

camshafted said:

Rumours circulating it's set a new lap record.

This is from another forum (McLaren Life)

"Laptimes:

1336 kg without Pirelli Corsa tires 1min 14.118 seconds

1301 kg "Light weight package" With Corsa tires 1min 12.915

The Spider that comes next year is less than 0.5 seconds of pace of the coupe's.

MP4-12C GT : 1min 11.409 seconds


MP4-12C GTR (calculated predictions for the GTR) <1min 09 min seconds.

Where does this information comes from? From a McLaren dealer in London who got the info from Paragon (McLaren) :-)

Happy days are here again!"

Well, this would be absolutely mental and would really annoy a particular Italian car maker.

Anyone heard anything about this?

What a load of cobblers. Whilst McL do a hell of a lot of running at Dunsfold (they even have a unit there) there is no way that car with those tyres and that engine and that weight will be that fast. I mean it's no small hatchback so it'll be very quick. But they haven't even shown a ring time yet!

And where's the "lightweight spec" from? McL haven't even mentioned that. Same as "GT" or even "GTR" spec. More Internet bks!

And on a side note where has all this Ferrari hatred come from in the last 12 months? Supercar praise is not an Either/Or arrangement! F458 is fantastic. GT2/3RS are fantastic. 12C is fantastic (maybe not my choice though)

I am still surprised that so many people think that power to weight ratios are such a huge factor in lap times. If that was the case the GTR would be dead slow, and we all know that is not the case.

Power to weight in isolation will never give you an accurate figure. As another example to illustrate my point, the turbo F1 cars of the 80's had massively higher P to W ratios than the current cars but are no where near as fast around a track

[Rich_W]

andyclax1 said:

Not many customers believe these claims also,chris goodwin has said on record that the 12c has beaten the track record for production cars with a roof and doors,i asked him directly on a test day at dunsfold and he confirmed
this ,saying it beats the bug ss but not the Atom v8,so a time between 1:16.7 and 1:15.1 is possible

Is that the Chris Goodwin who is employed by McLaren?


As I alluded to earlier. The sooner McLaren put up a 'ring time and TG Track time (with video) the better. Would stop a lot of these silly rumours. But their reticense to do so is questionable...

[Liokault]

Rich_W said:

Is that the Chris Goodwin who is employed by McLaren?


As I alluded to earlier. The sooner McLaren put up a 'ring time and TG Track time (with video) the better. Would stop a lot of these silly rumours. But their reticense to do so is questionable...

You would be amazed at how many Mclaren guys are on PH. When I worked there I was on all the time and I could walk across the office and find any number of guys browsing PH.

[Scuffers]

Rich_W said:

andyclax1 said:

Not many customers believe these claims also,chris goodwin has said on record that the 12c has beaten the track record for production cars with a roof and doors,i asked him directly on a test day at dunsfold and he confirmed
this ,saying it beats the bug ss but not the Atom v8,so a time between 1:16.7 and 1:15.1 is possible

Is that the Chris Goodwin who is employed by McLaren?


As I alluded to earlier. The sooner McLaren put up a 'ring time and TG Track time (with video) the better. Would stop a lot of these silly rumours. But their reticense to do so is questionable...

Yes, Chris has worked for McLaren for years...

As for lap times, why the hurry? it's only a pissing contest for geeks that will never own one but can spout numbers all day, I am sure TG will be given one to play with soon enough...

[marcosgt]

So how fast IS the McLaren MC12-GTS Black edition?

M.

[Rich_W]

Scuffers said:

As for lap times, why the hurry? it's only a pissing contest for geeks that will never own one but can spout numbers all day, I am sure TG will be given one to play with soon enough...

erm. Didn't the aforementiond Goodwin mention times? If they want to start waving willies about how its faster than a Volcano and more efficient than the sea. They'll need to produce some evidence.

Of course, what they should have done, (like with the F1) is say bugger all, not "leak" the XP cars everywhere 2 years ahead of launch and only after a year or so find out how fast the production car CAN go. Far more classy.

But of course, McLaren Marketing is not what it was in the early 90s.