Has the madness spread to bikers too?
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Twice now in the last week I have been driving down a sliproad to join a two lane dual carriageway where there is a motorbike in the driving lane quite happy to sit there and match my speed and not pull into the overtaking lane to facilitate me joining despite the fact that there was no traffic behind. Of course, once I had joined the main carriageway the motorbike vanished into the distance.
Now before anyone (with maybe the exception of Honest John) leaps in, yes I am aware that traffic on the road has priority and it is up to me to give way, but it is common courtesy to pull into the next lane to allow vehicles to join. Added to this if I had been the usual standard of mong that you see on the road whose attitude to joining seems to be in the order of "99..100.. coming ready or not!", then I'm pretty sure that the motorcyclist would have come off significantly worse in the ensuing collision.
Now before anyone (with maybe the exception of Honest John) leaps in, yes I am aware that traffic on the road has priority and it is up to me to give way, but it is common courtesy to pull into the next lane to allow vehicles to join. Added to this if I had been the usual standard of mong that you see on the road whose attitude to joining seems to be in the order of "99..100.. coming ready or not!", then I'm pretty sure that the motorcyclist would have come off significantly worse in the ensuing collision.
I think that there is a growing band of drivers/riders who fight for every inch of road.
I have noticed that if you attempt to join a motorway at 70 and someone is in the nearside lane doing 55/60 they will actually accelerate to make a point of it, then once you have joined they forget and resume their plodding, allowing you to go on at whatever speed you were doing.
Have no issues with bikers so far though.
I have noticed that if you attempt to join a motorway at 70 and someone is in the nearside lane doing 55/60 they will actually accelerate to make a point of it, then once you have joined they forget and resume their plodding, allowing you to go on at whatever speed you were doing.
Have no issues with bikers so far though.
Maybe there was someone about to overtake the bike?
It can be really hard to see far enough back from a lot of slip roads when you're joining but the bike would have a good view.
A guy got really upset with me because i didn't move over, speed up or slow down. About 5 miles after he joined we came off and were side by side at traffic lights. I tried explaining it like i saw it. To move out would mean going in front of someone who's got priority as they're already on the road and going faster than me. To speed up would make it harder for him to judge my speed and slot in about me, same for slowing down.
He was having none of it though. Maybe he's right, i was just driving like i would want someone to drive if i were in his shoes.
It can be really hard to see far enough back from a lot of slip roads when you're joining but the bike would have a good view.
A guy got really upset with me because i didn't move over, speed up or slow down. About 5 miles after he joined we came off and were side by side at traffic lights. I tried explaining it like i saw it. To move out would mean going in front of someone who's got priority as they're already on the road and going faster than me. To speed up would make it harder for him to judge my speed and slot in about me, same for slowing down.
He was having none of it though. Maybe he's right, i was just driving like i would want someone to drive if i were in his shoes.
ShaunTheSheep said:
Maybe there was someone about to overtake the bike?
It can be really hard to see far enough back from a lot of slip roads when you're joining but the bike would have a good view.
A guy got really upset with me because i didn't move over, speed up or slow down. About 5 miles after he joined we came off and were side by side at traffic lights. I tried explaining it like i saw it. To move out would mean going in front of someone who's got priority as they're already on the road and going faster than me. To speed up would make it harder for him to judge my speed and slot in about me, same for slowing down.
He was having none of it though. Maybe he's right, i was just driving like i would want someone to drive if i were in his shoes.
had this last week, van goes potty as i never moved out and apparently i am coffee beans, perhaps he should have checked harder and seen the fiesta overtaking me at the time. spanner It can be really hard to see far enough back from a lot of slip roads when you're joining but the bike would have a good view.
A guy got really upset with me because i didn't move over, speed up or slow down. About 5 miles after he joined we came off and were side by side at traffic lights. I tried explaining it like i saw it. To move out would mean going in front of someone who's got priority as they're already on the road and going faster than me. To speed up would make it harder for him to judge my speed and slot in about me, same for slowing down.
He was having none of it though. Maybe he's right, i was just driving like i would want someone to drive if i were in his shoes.
ShaunTheSheep said:
Maybe there was someone about to overtake the bike?
Sorry if I did not make this clear, however, I would not expect a biker to move into an already occupied space. The first occasion there was nobody in the lane to the riders right and nobody in sight behind (about half a mile). The second occasion, again there was nobody to the right and nobody behind closer than 200 yards and they were not closing in due to being on the average speed controlled A14. I get a lot of t
ts pulling out of slip roads when im driving the truck, I'll be sat there at about 60, someone sat just on my outside, and some tool, matches his speed and position with me perfectly as he tries to pull out into the side of me, of just enough in front so i can spin him round 
if he keeps coing..
I mean is it sensible to play chicken with a 7.5 ton 15 year old truck when he has right of way...
ts pulling out of slip roads when im driving the truck, I'll be sat there at about 60, someone sat just on my outside, and some tool, matches his speed and position with me perfectly as he tries to pull out into the side of me, of just enough in front so i can spin him round if he keeps coing..I mean is it sensible to play chicken with a 7.5 ton 15 year old truck when he has right of way...
...but on a clear road, just make it easier and if needed move over!
On 2 lane Slips, It's the pricks in L1 who move over to L2 at 55mph that do my nut in, instead of using their lane.
75% of People have no clue that the accelerator can be there to actually Help you match speed instead of the brakes - how's that for an idea?
G.
On 2 lane Slips, It's the pricks in L1 who move over to L2 at 55mph that do my nut in, instead of using their lane.
75% of People have no clue that the accelerator can be there to actually Help you match speed instead of the brakes - how's that for an idea?
G.
The 40 mph average on the raised section of the M4 coming into London turn a lot of the average Joe/Jo drivers into complete morons.
Watched a car trying to join the pretty empty left lane on the raised part around Brentford and the one driver that was in the left lane stuck resolutely to 40 whilst the guy joining matched him in speed exactly. Mong in left lane did not pull into right even though there was room (I was there) so he and Mong on ramp joined forces at end of ramp SMASH!!!!!
Scary bit was stopping because of the debris and then watching in the rear mirror as the rest of the Mongs had not registered what had just happened and only stopped with inches to spare.
Average speed situations only cause everyone to fall asleep. Speed keeps you awake!!
Watched a car trying to join the pretty empty left lane on the raised part around Brentford and the one driver that was in the left lane stuck resolutely to 40 whilst the guy joining matched him in speed exactly. Mong in left lane did not pull into right even though there was room (I was there) so he and Mong on ramp joined forces at end of ramp SMASH!!!!!
Scary bit was stopping because of the debris and then watching in the rear mirror as the rest of the Mongs had not registered what had just happened and only stopped with inches to spare.
Average speed situations only cause everyone to fall asleep. Speed keeps you awake!!
The real Apache said:
plus one
Yes in some respects you're spot on.BUT; 2 lane slip. Drivers in front brake instead of increasing speed. Drivers in L1 of lane you want to join do not move out irrespective the fact it's clear to do so.....
Result is everyone has to slow to around 45 mph due to the numpty in front plus somewhere down the line, there'll be the ripple effect - not to mention it's actually arguably dangerous, certainly inconsiderate.
I see it on a daily basis.
People have no clue. They don't use the space/lanes available (and full length of lanes) on slips. They brake and more often than not drift in to L2 effectively narrowing the slip to single lane, which causes braking and bunching up.
Lack of skills because people are taught how to pass a test and NOT how to drive!
G.
If the road was so quiet I'm sure you could have found a space either ahead or behind the biker.
I drive my van at around 60 on the motorway and am consistently amazed at the ability of other drivers' to match my speed and position when joining from a sliproad.
I sometimes wonder if I haven't got some sort of giant Acme magnet in the back.
I drive my van at around 60 on the motorway and am consistently amazed at the ability of other drivers' to match my speed and position when joining from a sliproad.
I sometimes wonder if I haven't got some sort of giant Acme magnet in the back.
supersingle said:
If the road was so quiet I'm sure you could have found a space either ahead or behind the biker.
I drive my van at around 60 on the motorway and am consistently amazed at the ability of other drivers' to match my speed and position when joining from a sliproad.
I sometimes wonder if I haven't got some sort of giant Acme magnet in the back.
I drive my van at around 60 on the motorway and am consistently amazed at the ability of other drivers' to match my speed and position when joining from a sliproad.
I sometimes wonder if I haven't got some sort of giant Acme magnet in the back.
So trueI can't see the problem with holding line and speed. Surely it's easier to join in if the person already there remains a constant. Otherwise you both do the speed up/slow down dance together and end up both doing 30mph at the end of the slip road.
If people generally got up to lane 1 speed, I.e. 60mph down the slip road and then just adjusted to fit in instead of trundling down at 40 expecting L1 to pull over and let them out, this also stops them then swinging all the way across to get around the wagon that pulled into L2 just to let them out, causing a great ripple of braking as they tend to do it at about 65 instead of the 80 the outside lane is doing.
If people generally got up to lane 1 speed, I.e. 60mph down the slip road and then just adjusted to fit in instead of trundling down at 40 expecting L1 to pull over and let them out, this also stops them then swinging all the way across to get around the wagon that pulled into L2 just to let them out, causing a great ripple of braking as they tend to do it at about 65 instead of the 80 the outside lane is doing.
I can't see the problem with holding line and speed. Surely it's easier to join in if the person already there remains a constant. Otherwise you both do the speed up/slow down dance together and end up both doing 30mph at the end of the slip road.
If people generally got up to lane 1 speed, I.e. 60mph down the slip road and then just adjusted to fit in instead of trundling down at 40 expecting L1 to pull over and let them out, this also stops them then swinging all the way across to get around the wagon that pulled into L2 just to let them out, causing a great ripple of braking as they tend to do it at about 65 instead of the 80 the outside lane is doing.
If people generally got up to lane 1 speed, I.e. 60mph down the slip road and then just adjusted to fit in instead of trundling down at 40 expecting L1 to pull over and let them out, this also stops them then swinging all the way across to get around the wagon that pulled into L2 just to let them out, causing a great ripple of braking as they tend to do it at about 65 instead of the 80 the outside lane is doing.
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