RE: Video: LFA vs GT-R, ZR1, GT2 RS and Ferrari 430
Discussion
ZeeTacoe said:
I just hope that no one posts a link to the Drivers republic test where a 911 Carrera S beat the GTr in a straight line nor the DR issue where Chris Harris doesn't know how the GTr beat the GT2 at the ring.
what - the same test where the gtr beat the carrera round the track by 4 seconds.and the test where DR stupidly drove the gtr on Bridgestones, not the far far better dunlops, then wondered why he couldn't get a better lap time?-
peterpeter said:
ZeeTacoe said:
I just hope that no one posts a link to the Drivers republic test where a 911 Carrera S beat the GTr in a straight line nor the DR issue where Chris Harris doesn't know how the GTr beat the GT2 at the ring.
what - the same test where the gtr beat the carrera round the track by 4 seconds.peterpeter said:
and the test where DR stupidly drove the gtr on Bridgestones, not the far far better dunlops, then wondered why he couldn't get a better lap time?-
Was it a press car or one borrowed from a member of the public?ZeeTacoe said:
peterpeter said:
ZeeTacoe said:
I just hope that no one posts a link to the Drivers republic test where a 911 Carrera S beat the GTr in a straight line nor the DR issue where Chris Harris doesn't know how the GTr beat the GT2 at the ring.
what - the same test where the gtr beat the carrera round the track by 4 seconds.peterpeter said:
and the test where DR stupidly drove the gtr on Bridgestones, not the far far better dunlops, then wondered why he couldn't get a better lap time?-
Was it a press car or one borrowed from a member of the public?Are you claiming a Carrera s, not a Turbo S, was quicker than a GTR?
That GT2RS is obviously a press car, makes you wonder what apes work for some of these magazines and websites! Let's assume it's done a few thousand miles, how can you muller 2nd gear that quickly, surely if they're a motor journalist then they know how to heal and toe and rev match, so what's the deal?
Mitch2.0 said:
surely if they're a motor journalist then they know how to heal and toe and rev match, so what's the deal?
Journalists are not the expert could-have-been-in-F1-if-I-had-the-money drivers they say they are. There is a reason their car insurance premiums are so high compared to other jobs.Dagnut said:
ZeeTacoe said:
peterpeter said:
ZeeTacoe said:
I just hope that no one posts a link to the Drivers republic test where a 911 Carrera S beat the GTr in a straight line nor the DR issue where Chris Harris doesn't know how the GTr beat the GT2 at the ring.
what - the same test where the gtr beat the carrera round the track by 4 seconds.peterpeter said:
and the test where DR stupidly drove the gtr on Bridgestones, not the far far better dunlops, then wondered why he couldn't get a better lap time?-
Was it a press car or one borrowed from a member of the public?Are you claiming a Carrera s, not a Turbo S, was quicker than a GTR?
http://skiddplayer.com/video/5728/drivers-republic...
ZeeTacoe said:
Was it a press car or one borrowed from a member of the public?
It was a customer car, but the conditions of that test were horrid. Late in the season, cold (7 deg C), damp, with oil deposited by cars from the VLN race only 2 days before (in qualifying, an M3 had leaked all around the track), and autumn leaves compressed into the track. They also admitted to not having the luxury of successive flying laps; during the actual timing portion when the rain had stopped, the time for both cars came after only a single warmup. Harris had 3 laps prior to that in the GT2, and 2 in the GT-R. He'd also raced a rear-engined Porsche race car there, while this was his first time with the GT-R at the 'Ring.BTW, the optional Dunlops are not only faster in the dry, they're faster in the wet too. In the DR site commentary, Harris (and readers) later commented that the Cup+ tires on the GT2 might not be so adversely affected by the conditions as one would think.
I'm pretty sure the GT-R used at the Silverstone test was on Pirellis, as those were all that were avaible as replacements at the time; Nissan used them for the GT Academy cars at Silverstone. DR/Evo noted that the Silverstone car didn't feel as fast as the customer car they drove.
I know that's what the video said, but the odds of it being on Dunlops is pretty slim.
http://www.gtr.co.uk/forum/104730-pirellis-use-rac...
Even the original UK black press car had its tires replaced with these Pirellis when it showed up for eCOTY. This was posted by DR personnel on another forum at around the time of the Silverstone test:
"The white one that we took to Wales for all the photography (as appears in the magazine feature) was a JD import GT-R owned by a customer and felt much stronger than the grey GT-R that we lapped around Silverstone, which was one of a dozen GT-R's that are kept at Silverstone and have been supplied by Nissan Europe for the GT Academy competition.
These are US-spec GT-Rs."
Thus explaining the LHD layout as seen in the video. The vast majority of US-market GT-Rs at the time were Premium editions, meaning they would have come with the Bridgestones. But with GT-Rs chewing up tires on track and the limited availability of OEM replacements, plus Pirelli's eventual sponsorship of the academy, it's considerably unlikely that a set of replacement Dunlops somehow found its way onto that car, and even less likely that DR managed to test it at precisely the moment it had those tires.
http://www.gtr.co.uk/forum/104730-pirellis-use-rac...
Even the original UK black press car had its tires replaced with these Pirellis when it showed up for eCOTY. This was posted by DR personnel on another forum at around the time of the Silverstone test:
"The white one that we took to Wales for all the photography (as appears in the magazine feature) was a JD import GT-R owned by a customer and felt much stronger than the grey GT-R that we lapped around Silverstone, which was one of a dozen GT-R's that are kept at Silverstone and have been supplied by Nissan Europe for the GT Academy competition.
These are US-spec GT-Rs."
Thus explaining the LHD layout as seen in the video. The vast majority of US-market GT-Rs at the time were Premium editions, meaning they would have come with the Bridgestones. But with GT-Rs chewing up tires on track and the limited availability of OEM replacements, plus Pirelli's eventual sponsorship of the academy, it's considerably unlikely that a set of replacement Dunlops somehow found its way onto that car, and even less likely that DR managed to test it at precisely the moment it had those tires.
Edited by Guibo on Monday 23 May 00:53
EDLT said:
Mitch2.0 said:
surely if they're a motor journalist then they know how to heal and toe and rev match, so what's the deal?
Journalists are not the expert could-have-been-in-F1-if-I-had-the-money drivers they say they are. There is a reason their car insurance premiums are so high compared to other jobs.If you're a motoring journalist then I should imagine you have a keen interest in cars, their general mechanics and the ability to drive them.
On a slightly sarcastic sidenote: No F1 driver heal and toes in the office!
Mitch2.0 said:
EDLT said:
Mitch2.0 said:
surely if they're a motor journalist then they know how to heal and toe and rev match, so what's the deal?
Journalists are not the expert could-have-been-in-F1-if-I-had-the-money drivers they say they are. There is a reason their car insurance premiums are so high compared to other jobs.If you're a motoring journalist then I should imagine you have a keen interest in cars, their general mechanics and the ability to drive them.
On a slightly sarcastic sidenote: No F1 driver heal and toes in the office!
Oh, and I could've been an F1 driver...
Riggers said:
and.... our insurance premiums are high because of the journalism profession in general
In my opinion our insurance premiums are high because of the massive increase in the amount of fraudulent insurance claims in Bradford, Birmingham, Luton, Blackburn, Bolton and Halifax, in that order. However the global market and price of oil do also effect it.Obviously, there are dodgy people all over the place, but they’re the hotspots.
For me the most prominent feature of all these videos is that issues of driver, press vehicle, heel and toe, tyre choice aside - the GTR is so competitive at the least, dominant at best. This car costs 1/2 - 2/3rds what the others cost. It is spectacular in its demonstration of power and application of that power. I am finding myself more and more frequently browsing the classifieds for the GTR so that I can have an opportunity to own one of the greatest cars ever made.
J
jhayward1980 said:
For me the most prominent feature of all these videos is that issues of driver, press vehicle, heel and toe, tyre choice aside - the GTR is so competitive at the least, dominant at best. This car costs 1/2 - 2/3rds what the others cost. It is spectacular in its demonstration of power and application of that power. I am finding myself more and more frequently browsing the classifieds for the GTR so that I can have an opportunity to own one of the greatest cars ever made.
J
Same here. Most articles I've read, and most posts from owners, all point to it being a brilliant bit of kit. OK, so we can pull out the odd instance of one car beating another, with numerous variables involved (rain, tyres, etc). But from what I'm hearing, this is really the exception rather than the rule. The GTR is fast, make no mistake.J
I just hope that it moves the game on, and makes the other manufacturers do better. Being Italian, I still have a special place in my heart for Ferrari, but when looking for a sportscar to OWN (as opposed to onsell), I'm afraid I'm going to look elsewhere (Nissan for now).
big_rob_sydney said:
Same here. Most articles I've read, and most posts from owners, all point to it being a brilliant bit of kit. OK, so we can pull out the odd instance of one car beating another, with numerous variables involved (rain, tyres, etc). But from what I'm hearing, this is really the exception rather than the rule. The GTR is fast, make no mistake.
I just hope that it moves the game on, and makes the other manufacturers do better. Being Italian, I still have a special place in my heart for Ferrari, but when looking for a sportscar to OWN (as opposed to onsell), I'm afraid I'm going to look elsewhere (Nissan for now).
Well said - coming from a Ferrari fan that is quite a comment!I just hope that it moves the game on, and makes the other manufacturers do better. Being Italian, I still have a special place in my heart for Ferrari, but when looking for a sportscar to OWN (as opposed to onsell), I'm afraid I'm going to look elsewhere (Nissan for now).
The GTR is just different approach to things - quite a culture shock for the so-called purists out there and it will not appeal to everybody but it is an alternative way of driving fast and very appealing if you can understand Nissan's philosophy behind the GTR.
But if people want something like a Ferrari, get a Ferrari, if you like Porsche, get a Porsche - it's just not fair to slag off the GTR for being nothing like them yet being just as fast.
Edited by Anh on Thursday 2nd June 16:46
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