RE: Three Years Free Servicing For Nissan GT-R

[PaulMoor]

blindswelledrat said:

WHen they first came out a set of official discs and pads were £4k and the tyres were £500 each.
Ive no doubt there are lots of options availabe now that are nowhere near that kind of price but certainly when figures like that are touted around its enough to put you off.

From a google about £1k for the disks and pads.

[loveice]

superman84 said:

blindswelledrat said:

Not as much as people seem to think!

6,000Mile / 6 Month (G1) Service £149.98 Inc. VAT
12,000Mile / 12 Month (G2) Service with Optimisation Inspection £326.99 Inc. VAT
18,000 Mile / 18 Month (G1) Service £556.56 Inc. VAT

Not sure what all the fuss is about then! I guess tyres and brake pads/disks will be expensive to replace.

Tell me the slower Zonda F Club Sports' tyres and brake pads/disks are cheaper than those GTRs' to replace.

[BBS-LM]

If I had the extra cash I would buy one in a heart beat just for the sake it cost £60K and can wipe the floor with most super-cars out there costing 3 time that amount. It must put a smile on so many GT-R drivers faces.

[loveice]

jellison said:

Stu R said:

jellison said:

zakelwe said:

jellison said:

If Only TVR could have done this - might still be in business (or maybe not based on the SP6).

Make you wanna get a GTR - Nice cars, But Christ they are BIG!

That's the one thing that puts me off them, the rear end looks similar in size to Dawn French's. If you put 4 red tea plates on Dawn's arse they would be indistinguishable.

Why is it so big? You can't knock the performance though.

Yep on in our car park at work - Huge thing! Compared to the 3rd Gen GTR.


Personally I get rid of all the 4x4 trickery (maybe need bigger stickers rears though), ala how they have to race them in the Current GT1.

Have you driven one out of curiosity? They really do a superb job of hiding their enormous bulk and mass when they're hurtled. I found it quite surreal compared to my R33 GTR, which by R32 GTR standards was deemed a bit of a bloater.

Nope - but then there alot of fast cars I and most on here will never have driven.

Personally I like my cars to be alot Crazier, that something that does it all for you with computers. Any half reasonable pilot can go fast in a 4x4 Rally or GTR type toy.

I like less grip - i.e. you are involved and have to contribute alot more at legal (and highly illegal) speeds that in such things.

But that is just me.

I do enjoy watching them in GT1 racing (ESPN) though, but all slicked up and RWD, they may even be non-turbo with a V8 (think no turbos due to all that equalisation bull) - I'll check.

So, in your mind all those great recent rally drivers are only 'half reasonable pilots'. Only people who compete in drifting are good drivers?

This must be what you call a perfect car then. Definitely has less grip than anything out there. And definitely need its driver to contribute more than even a fighter pilot: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h0t5juiDfr8

[Guvernator]

superman84 said:

blindswelledrat said:

Not as much as people seem to think!

6,000Mile / 6 Month (G1) Service £149.98 Inc. VAT
12,000Mile / 12 Month (G2) Service with Optimisation Inspection £326.99 Inc. VAT
18,000 Mile / 18 Month (G1) Service £556.56 Inc. VAT

Not sure what all the fuss is about then! I guess tyres and brake pads/disks will be expensive to replace.

Really, have they reduced prices significantly then? When I was first having a look at the running costs over on the GT-R forum, they were significantly more, enough to make me wince anyway and some of my previous cars haven't exactly been cheap to run. Tyres were over £300-400 a corner depending on which of the two recommended OEM tyres you went for and brakes were working out at nearly £2k all round. You also had strange stipulations about having to change tyres in pairs, having to have the very expensive tranny oil changed which costs about £800 if memory serves correctly if you went over a certain temp, all of which added up to a very expensive car to run. It caused quite a furor on the GT-R site and considering that is a GT-R fansite that's saying something.

Are you saying this has now all changed as those costs sound positively frugal?

[Tonto]

BBS-LM said:

If I had the extra cash I would buy one in a heart beat just for the sake it cost £60K and can wipe the floor with most super-cars out there costing 3 time that amount. It must put a smile on so many GT-R drivers faces.

[M666 EVO]

Dagnut said:

Computers doing the work.
Not real drivers car.
Too Heavy.
Cheap jap interior.
911.
fake ring times.
Chocolatey gearbox


Now all the rubbish is out of the can way get on with the topic?

You forgot:

Playstation
Dawn Frenchs A*se

[Stu R]

M666 EVO said:

Dagnut said:

Computers doing the work.
Not real drivers car.
Too Heavy.
Cheap jap interior.
911.
fake ring times.
Chocolatey gearbox


Now all the rubbish is out of the can way get on with the topic?

You forgot:

Playstation
Dawn Frenchs A*se

Beginning to sound like the perfect night in with 10 pints

[Zed Ed]

Free servicing deal to offset low 2011 sales (250 units??) and perceptions that 2011 car is poorer value, given price rise.

Personally I think it's a bit ghey and detracts from the overall package.

Now deleted 'Concierge Service' given with '09 and '10 cars, much more on the money.

[130R]

Guvernator said:

Tyres were over £300-400 a corner depending on which of the two recommended OEM tyres you went for and brakes were working out at nearly £2k all round. You also had strange stipulations about having to change tyres in pairs, having to have the very expensive tranny oil changed which costs about £800 if memory serves correctly if you went over a certain temp, all of which added up to a very expensive car to run.

Well it's an expensive (£70k) car to buy, this is only in line with what something like a BMW M5 costs to run. I'd be interested to know which cars at this price/performance level don't have costs similar to the above?

[Guvernator]

Zed Ed said:

Free servicing deal to offset low 2011 sales (250 units??) and perceptions that 2011 car is poorer value, given price rise.

There is the crux of the matter though, perceptions of value for money. While those who can are more than happy to hand over £150k for some Italion excotica or even £70k plus for a Porsche, there is definately a psychological barrier for a Japanese car which costs a significant amount of money. Look at the Why didn't the NSX sell thread. For years Japanese cars have traditionally been associated with being good value for money, even their performance cars are usually raved about more for their bang-per-buck quota then anything else and the GT-R is no exception.

No matter how much better a Japanese car might be compared to it's rivals it will always carry this stigma in Europe and the US so the manufacturers are forced to make these concessions in order for them to sell. In this case I think it's a very smart move from Nissan especially as the £70k pricetag for the 2011 GT-R is probably too much for what the market is willing to pay for a Japanese performance car. I'm sure Nissan would love to be able to wave a magic wand to eradicate this perception and sell the GT-R for closer to £100k but it just ain't going to happen. In a way the Japanese manufacturers are a victim of their own sales models success, years of selling us cheap cars has built up this expectation that Japanese cars=cheap, it isn't going to disappear overnight with the introduction of the a few halo models every 5-10 years or so.

[Guvernator]

130R said:

Guvernator said:

Tyres were over £300-400 a corner depending on which of the two recommended OEM tyres you went for and brakes were working out at nearly £2k all round. You also had strange stipulations about having to change tyres in pairs, having to have the very expensive tranny oil changed which costs about £800 if memory serves correctly if you went over a certain temp, all of which added up to a very expensive car to run.

Well it's an expensive (£70k) car to buy, this is only in line with what something like a BMW M5 costs to run. I'd be interested to know which cars at this price/performance level don't have costs similar to the above?

Those were just the tip of the iceberg, there was a whole thread on the GT-R forum. Nissan even published some yearly running cost "guidelines" based on doing an average 12000 per year. The running costs per year on the GT-R were working out at over £2k a year which imo is pretty steep for a car which originally cost £50k. Maybe it was Nissan's fault for selling the GT-R so cheaply but see my post above for why they couldn't have realisticlly sold it for any more than that. At £70k it certainly isn't seen as such a performance bargain anymore despite the still impressive stats and poor sales figures have shown this to be true.

[icebite78]

Guvernator said:

Those were just the tip of the iceberg, there was a whole thread on the GT-R forum. Nissan even published some yearly running cost "guidelines" based on doing an average 12000 per year. The running costs per year on the GT-R were working out at over £2k a year which imo is pretty steep for a car which originally cost £50k. Maybe it was Nissan's fault for selling the GT-R so cheaply but see my post above for why they couldn't have realisticlly sold it for any more than that. 9 At £70k it certainly isn't seen as such a performance bargain anymore despite the still impressive stats and poor sales figures have shown this to be true.

I really do think your out of touch here with the times we live in btw you talk you must be in the (very older generation of people)bracket.
Just because its a japanese brand,now days does not mean its cheap or has to be, as they say you have to pay to play.The 'stigma' your talking about that you have, i have yet to see ,the respect the gtr now commandes on the road you just would'nt believe, remember at 70k your only still in gen2 carrera money which is the same model that came as px for a GTR at my local HPC only last week.
The world realy has moved on from the cheap jap era's of the 90's which your still stuck in or dont want to see past.Sit in one, you will see what i mean,i do every morning and after temps are up and i flick that leather tipped paddle to change up i realise how wrong was i that i didnt sell my 911 turbo sooner.Car is in a different league mate about time you started thinking out of box a bit.

[jellison]

loveice said:

jellison said:

Stu R said:

jellison said:

zakelwe said:

jellison said:

If Only TVR could have done this - might still be in business (or maybe not based on the SP6).

Make you wanna get a GTR - Nice cars, But Christ they are BIG!

That's the one thing that puts me off them, the rear end looks similar in size to Dawn French's. If you put 4 red tea plates on Dawn's arse they would be indistinguishable.

Why is it so big? You can't knock the performance though.

Yep on in our car park at work - Huge thing! Compared to the 3rd Gen GTR.


Personally I get rid of all the 4x4 trickery (maybe need bigger stickers rears though), ala how they have to race them in the Current GT1.

Have you driven one out of curiosity? They really do a superb job of hiding their enormous bulk and mass when they're hurtled. I found it quite surreal compared to my R33 GTR, which by R32 GTR standards was deemed a bit of a bloater.

Nope - but then there alot of fast cars I and most on here will never have driven.

Personally I like my cars to be alot Crazier, that something that does it all for you with computers. Any half reasonable pilot can go fast in a 4x4 Rally or GTR type toy.

I like less grip - i.e. you are involved and have to contribute alot more at legal (and highly illegal) speeds that in such things.

But that is just me.

I do enjoy watching them in GT1 racing (ESPN) though, but all slicked up and RWD, they may even be non-turbo with a V8 (think no turbos due to all that equalisation bull) - I'll check.

So, in your mind all those great recent rally drivers are only 'half reasonable pilots'. Only people who compete in drifting are good drivers?

This must be what you call a perfect car then. Definitely has less grip than anything out there. And definitely need its driver to contribute more than even a fighter pilot: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h0t5juiDfr8

That is NOT what I said - what is said was (or implied) was a very average driver can look like a driving god in one of these or EVO / Scooby type things - Piss easy to Drift these things and look cool - Oh abd Drifting id just W*nking on 4 wheels (Muppets).

Tope level Rally Drivers are Right up there (maybe better in the real world) with the best in F1. Those car are being driven by then best and have sooo much changed over their looki likely street homologation equivalents.

More my sort of thing.

450bhp, "Tiny" Wheelbase, relatively narrow low grip tyres, no aero. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j_GtDHX2dyw&tra... Power to weight, way past a road GTR.

OK enough of me.

I'll let you get back to Grand Turismo 5

[Dagnut]

jellison said:

hat is NOT what I said - what is said was (or implied) was a very average driver can look like a driving god in one of these or EVO / Scooby type things - Piss easy to Drift these things and look cool - Oh abd Drifting id just W*nking on 4 wheels (Muppets).

Tope level Rally Drivers are Right up there (maybe better in the real world) with the best in F1. Those car are being driven by then best and have sooo much changed over their looki likely street homologation equivalents.

More my sort of thing.

450bhp, "Tiny" Wheelbase, relatively narrow low grip tyres, no aero. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j_GtDHX2dyw&tra... Power to weight, way past a road GTR.

OK enough of me.

I'll let you get back to Grand Turismo 5

They weren't aiming the car at you...talking about "looking good" who exactly on the road are you trying to impress?
..unless you're racing everyone drives to their own abilities and sets their own standards....
There's load of talk on here about "performance figures and laptimes are for willy waving"...hmm so what exactly is all the hairy chested talk of no traction control and 450bhp drives the rear wheels and posting videos of racing all about???
I totally understand what you're saying,at a recent supercar day I have to say the Elise was the most exciting to drive, but the GTR serves a different purpose.

[car95]

I'm stuck here.

Some seem to argue that if the car cost more in the first place then the servicing cost would be more reasonable? But wouldn't a buyer/owner be more out of pocket for the life of ownership?

Relatively inexpensive to buy (for the performance etc.) and servicing that is reasonable, but "not cheap". Presumably, Nissan could have decided to make the servicing a lot cheaper (just slash the parts prices and make the dealers charge less for the work), but then wouldn't they have to charge more for the car? Why would that be better?

The GT-R (2009) I owned for 2 years is the only car I've had in which I could make myself feel travel sick DRIVING on the road. The power of the brakes was awesome (as just one example).

And no stigma. More positive comments and chats at petrol stations than in 4 years of Z06 ownership (or indeed anything else bar the Murciélago).

[jellison]

I am not saying they are not nice motors, all I'm saying is this type of electricery hyper power cars make the drive less important. So on the roads quite often these things will be driven way harder than something with simialr power to weight but less grip, hence you can be a hero, right up to the point they say enough is enough - BAM you have Binned it Big style.

If money was no object I might try one for 6 months, but I'm sure the stuck the road novelty would wear off after a bit.

Now we're Talking http://www.gtrblog.com/2009/04/06/fia-gt1-nissan-gt-r-specifications-revealed/

Godzilla I presume

Edited by jellison on Thursday 2nd June 16:14

[Guvernator]

icebite78 said:

Guvernator said:

Those were just the tip of the iceberg, there was a whole thread on the GT-R forum. Nissan even published some yearly running cost "guidelines" based on doing an average 12000 per year. The running costs per year on the GT-R were working out at over £2k a year which imo is pretty steep for a car which originally cost £50k. Maybe it was Nissan's fault for selling the GT-R so cheaply but see my post above for why they couldn't have realisticlly sold it for any more than that. 9 At £70k it certainly isn't seen as such a performance bargain anymore despite the still impressive stats and poor sales figures have shown this to be true.

I really do think your out of touch here with the times we live in btw you talk you must be in the (very older generation of people)bracket.
Just because its a japanese brand,now days does not mean its cheap or has to be, as they say you have to pay to play.The 'stigma' your talking about that you have, i have yet to see ,the respect the gtr now commandes on the road you just would'nt believe, remember at 70k your only still in gen2 carrera money which is the same model that came as px for a GTR at my local HPC only last week.
The world realy has moved on from the cheap jap era's of the 90's which your still stuck in or dont want to see past.Sit in one, you will see what i mean,i do every morning and after temps are up and i flick that leather tipped paddle to change up i realise how wrong was i that i didnt sell my 911 turbo sooner.Car is in a different league mate about time you started thinking out of box a bit.

Out of the box, have you looked at my car history? I actually owned a R34 GT-R and have been into GT-R's in general for longer than that so I don't think I can be accused of not thinking outside the box, I'm certianly a GT-R fan. Also if you call 30 something old then I guess I am old. As for living in a different era I don't think so. Car enthusiasts might know about the latest GT-R but 90% of people still think of Japanese cars as cheap, this is just as true today as it was in the 90's. The reason for this is because 90% of Japanese cars made and sold today ARE cheap and sold like white goods. The GT-R and other such cars are the exception to that rule. I was commenting on the fact that it's very difficult for the majority of people (not myself) to see past that stigma even today. Admittedly the GT-R has done alot to change some attitudes, simply because of how good it is and the wide exposure it has recieved in various media but I still don't think we are at a stage where a Japanese performance car would be accepted by the majority of people over it's European rivals. Just look how many GT-R's were sold compared to a 911 Carrera despite the fact that it's performance would absolutely crush the standard 911.

Judging by your lack of understanding of the point I was trying to make and attitude I can only assume you are what I refer to as a "newage GT-R" owner. Much like Chelsea supporters after Abromivich poured in his millions, all these GT-R fans have suddenly come out of the woodwork ready to defend " the bestest car ever made" TM to the death. Where were you all a few years ago when the GT-R was relatively obscure? I know the answer, you were all fawning over the last latest and greatest toy. GT-R fans like you actually do the marque no favours at all with your over defensive attitude and failure to see past anything not GT-R. I as a longtime GT-R fan have massive respect for what the new GT-R has done but I can also see why a lot of people might not like it or think it's not worth the asking price.

Edited by Guvernator on Thursday 2nd June 16:27

[5lab]

M666 EVO said:

Dagnut said:

Computers doing the work.
Not real drivers car.
Too Heavy.
Cheap jap interior.
911.
fake ring times.
Chocolatey gearbox


Now all the rubbish is out of the can way get on with the topic?

You forgot:

Playstation
Dawn Frenchs A*se

you both forgot

driving into anything at more than 0.5mph will cost you £30k

[TTucker]

blindswelledrat said:

Not as much as people seem to think!

6,000Mile / 6 Month (G1) Service £149.98 Inc. VAT
12,000Mile / 12 Month (G2) Service with Optimisation Inspection £326.99 Inc. B VAT

That's a bargin compared to other sports cars..
18,000 Mile / 18 Month (G1) Service £556.56 Inc. VAT