RE: SOTW: BMW 318is
Discussion
TameRacingDriver said:
Is this still going on?
Right, I'm sure everyone else agrees on at least 2 facts. 1. A 318iS is faster than a VTR, FACT. 2. A 328i is much faster than a Clio RSI, FACT.
Can we please put an end to this b
ks?
Leave him alone, I'm enjoying seeing him argue black is white Right, I'm sure everyone else agrees on at least 2 facts. 1. A 318iS is faster than a VTR, FACT. 2. A 328i is much faster than a Clio RSI, FACT.
Can we please put an end to this b
ks?
bodhi said:
TameRacingDriver said:
Is this still going on?
Right, I'm sure everyone else agrees on at least 2 facts. 1. A 318iS is faster than a VTR, FACT. 2. A 328i is much faster than a Clio RSI, FACT.
Can we please put an end to this bks?
Leave him alone, I'm enjoying seeing him argue black is white Right, I'm sure everyone else agrees on at least 2 facts. 1. A 318iS is faster than a VTR, FACT. 2. A 328i is much faster than a Clio RSI, FACT.
Can we please put an end to this b
ks?t. Would there be so much love for a 1.6 Escort Mexico (mk5, not mk2) or a Golf 1.8 driver with an R32 bodykit?
KM666 said:
In a drag race yes, cross country? Well excuse me for thinking this prime example of mutton dressed as lamb is a bit st.
Would there be so much love for a 1.6 Escort Mexico (mk5, not mk2) or a Golf 1.8 driver with an R32 bodykit?
To be fair I've driven Saxos, Clios etc in anger... as well as my 328, obviously. Realistically, most semi reasonable cars will be decently matched on the twisties, due to the nature of the public roads, but your previous posts have been all about which is faster which to me means acceleration and top speed, nevertheless, based on my previous experience I can't really see these little hatchbacks being quicker.t. Would there be so much love for a 1.6 Escort Mexico (mk5, not mk2) or a Golf 1.8 driver with an R32 bodykit?
BMWs are not mutton dressed as lamb. The looks are not for everyone, but I find the 328 drives and handles better than I expected considering the supposed weight handicap and for me drives so much nicer than a FWD car; hell my last car was a MX5 Mk1, a "proper" sports car, but the 328 is every bit as enjoyable, well handling and quick(er). Each to their own though, I suppose.
What's with the comparison between a Mk5 Escort Mexico (an insult to the name) and a Golf driver (a Mk2/3 IIRC) with an R32 bodykit (which would look fookin ridiculous)? I don't get it. I remember one day having a Mk2 escort following me in my Mk2 Golf GTI on a hoon. I left him behind a wee bit, but he looked like he was having more fun... so not sure what your point is, if any?
TameRacingDriver said:
To be fair I've driven Saxos, Clios etc in anger... as well as my 328, obviously. Realistically, most semi reasonable cars will be decently matched on the twisties, due to the nature of the public roads, but your previous posts have been all about which is faster which to me means acceleration and top speed, nevertheless, based on my previous experience I can't really see these little hatchbacks being quicker.
BMWs are not mutton dressed as lamb. The looks are not for everyone, but I find the 328 drives and handles better than I expected considering the supposed weight handicap and for me drives so much nicer than a FWD car; hell my last car was a MX5 Mk1, a "proper" sports car, but the 328 is every bit as enjoyable, well handling and quick(er). Each to their own though, I suppose.
What's with the comparison between a Mk5 Escort Mexico (an insult to the name) and a Golf driver (a Mk2/3 IIRC) with an R32 bodykit (which would look fookin ridiculous)? I don't get it. I remember one day having a Mk2 escort following me in my Mk2 Golf GTI on a hoon. I left him behind a wee bit, but he looked like he was having more fun... so not sure what your point is, if any?
I dont mean BMWs as a brand are mutton dressed as lamb i mean the 318iS is mutton dressed as lamb, and all 4 pot BMWs are a bit limp wristed. Specifically my dislike of 318s is born out of spending time around enthusiasts of several brands who are constantly frustrated by dBMWs are not mutton dressed as lamb. The looks are not for everyone, but I find the 328 drives and handles better than I expected considering the supposed weight handicap and for me drives so much nicer than a FWD car; hell my last car was a MX5 Mk1, a "proper" sports car, but the 328 is every bit as enjoyable, well handling and quick(er). Each to their own though, I suppose.
What's with the comparison between a Mk5 Escort Mexico (an insult to the name) and a Golf driver (a Mk2/3 IIRC) with an R32 bodykit (which would look fookin ridiculous)? I don't get it. I remember one day having a Mk2 escort following me in my Mk2 Golf GTI on a hoon. I left him behind a wee bit, but he looked like he was having more fun... so not sure what your point is, if any?
heads in 318s thinking they're something special and getting in thier way, one of which runs and is restoring a pair of E30 325 cabs. I've always harboured a hatred toward what i consider to be dishonest cars, weather its the manufacturers like BMW or Audi with the S=line range who'll sell anybody a load of ///M badges and bodykitting to stick on poverty spec basic models or people who do it themselves like the 1.8 GL subarus with 9" exhaust tips and STI alloys, great so you've managed to polish a turd but the second anybody who knows anything about cars gets a bit tasty your exposed as the fraud you are. The comparison between a 318iS and mk5 Escort Mexico and Golf with an R32 bodykit is that here we have a very very low down entry into E36hood that to all effects is made to echo the M3 stylisticly. Its looks and the 'M involvement' and vauge homologation/motorsport connections (the mexico name for the mk5 'scort) write a cheque that in 318 form the car just cant cash, like those old quicksilver 106's, they're another one made to look like something they're not.
Great it can do 130mph but it cant crack 60 in under 10 seconds? and thats from a car with 140bhp and as little as 1240kgs? A '93 2.0 mondeo can do all that and better the 0-60 with 10 brake less and i bet it didnt cost £19k new.
Theres far cheaper ways of not going very fast with a bodykit.
Edited by KM666 on Friday 17th June 18:15
KM666 said:
I dont mean BMWs as a brand are mutton dressed as lamb i mean the 318iS is mutton dressed as lamb, and all 4 pot BMWs are a bit limp wristed. Specifically my dislike of 318s is born out of spending time around enthusiasts of several brands who are constantly frustrated by dheads in 318s thinking they're something special and getting in thier way, one of which runs and is restoring a pair of E30 325 cabs. I've always harboured a hatred toward what i consider to be dishonest cars, weather its the manufacturers like BMW or Audi with the S=line range who'll sell anybody a load of ///M badges and bodykitting to stick on poverty spec basic models or people who do it themselves like the 1.8 GL subarus with 9" exhaust tips and STI alloys, great so you've managed to polish a turd but the second anybody who knows anything about cars gets a bit tasty your exposed as the fraud you are.
The comparison between a 318iS and mk5 Escort Mexico and Golf with an R32 bodykit is that here we have a very very low down entry into E36hood that to all effects is made to echo the M3 stylisticly. Its looks and the 'M involvement' and vauge homologation/motorsport connections (the mexico name for the mk5 'scort) write a cheque that in 318 form the car just cant cash, like those old quicksilver 106's, they're another one made to look like something they're not.
you do know the E30 BMW M3 is a 4 pot right?heads in 318s thinking they're something special and getting in thier way, one of which runs and is restoring a pair of E30 325 cabs. I've always harboured a hatred toward what i consider to be dishonest cars, weather its the manufacturers like BMW or Audi with the S=line range who'll sell anybody a load of ///M badges and bodykitting to stick on poverty spec basic models or people who do it themselves like the 1.8 GL subarus with 9" exhaust tips and STI alloys, great so you've managed to polish a turd but the second anybody who knows anything about cars gets a bit tasty your exposed as the fraud you are. The comparison between a 318iS and mk5 Escort Mexico and Golf with an R32 bodykit is that here we have a very very low down entry into E36hood that to all effects is made to echo the M3 stylisticly. Its looks and the 'M involvement' and vauge homologation/motorsport connections (the mexico name for the mk5 'scort) write a cheque that in 318 form the car just cant cash, like those old quicksilver 106's, they're another one made to look like something they're not.
Edited by KM666 on Friday 17th June 18:15
Also you obviously don't know to much about BMW's!!
your sitting slagging the e36 318is and haven't a clue about their racing pedigree!!
They won the British touring car series from 1992-95 and theres plenty other race series in Europe where they competed and won many races.
BMW even done 318is homologation specials...
heres a link to a guy that bought one,
http://www.jannousiainen.net/hobbies/bmw/e36_318is...
It's not trying to be an M3!!
BDR529 said:
I think KM666 is just determined to spout out various anti-BMW st whatever it takes.
So he doesn't like 318s, 318iS's, 328s, and any BMW with a 4pot engine, so we can throw the E30 M3 in with that as well..
Christ.
May as well throw in the very sexy BMW 2002 turbo.t whatever it takes.So he doesn't like 318s, 318iS's, 328s, and any BMW with a 4pot engine, so we can throw the E30 M3 in with that as well..
Christ.
Terrible thing only having 4 cylinders and a turbo and "only" pushing out 170bhp.....in 1973!!!
BDR529 said:
He'll be saying it will be no match for a Renault 6 next 
haha KM666 dad in the 1970's said..........
"yeah but its lighter because its made of biscuit tins and garlic so it only weighs 2kgs!"
"my mate raced a 2002 turbo in his renault 6 and pissed by it because all that turbo lag slowed the BMW down"
- .........Provides page numbers to the 70's encyclopaedia of all things cars to try justify his points.
Edited by Jack Dupp on Friday 17th June 20:19
Edited by Jack Dupp on Friday 17th June 20:22
KM666 said:
Great it can do 130mph but it cant crack 60 in under 10 seconds? and thats from a car with 140bhp and as little as 1240kgs? A '93 2.0 mondeo can do all that and better the 0-60 with 10 brake less and i bet it didnt cost £19k new.
Although, in the original Autocar test it did indeed get to 60 in under 10 seconds ( 9.3 ) and onto 132 ( on a good straight rather than the bowl that could be 134/135 ) Jack Dupp said:
you do know the E30 BMW M3 is a 4 pot right?
Also you obviously don't know to much about BMW's!!
your sitting slagging the e36 318is and haven't a clue about their racing pedigree!!
They won the British touring car series from 1992-95 and theres plenty other race series in Europe where they competed and won many races.
BMW even done 318is homologation specials...
heres a link to a guy that bought one,
http://www.jannousiainen.net/hobbies/bmw/e36_318is...
It's not trying to be an M3!!
Also you obviously don't know to much about BMW's!!
your sitting slagging the e36 318is and haven't a clue about their racing pedigree!!
They won the British touring car series from 1992-95 and theres plenty other race series in Europe where they competed and won many races.
BMW even done 318is homologation specials...
heres a link to a guy that bought one,
http://www.jannousiainen.net/hobbies/bmw/e36_318is...
It's not trying to be an M3!!
Well if you want to be pedantic 4 pot BMWS from within the last 21 years.
Excluding racing engines.
92 was a good year for BMW although they only had one round over vauxhaull cavaliers and that was with BMWs representing almost half the grid, BMW took the drivers title with Tim Harvey but apparently vauxhall won manufacturers for 92, 93 probably thier best year taking manufacturers. Alfa corse won 9 of the rounds in 94 and so took manufacturers and in 95 BMW came 6th as both manufacturer and team.
The BTCC 318iS's used a 2.0 E30 M S14 engine so have as much in common with the road cars as i do.
Bttc results for 1995 season.
Manufacturers
Pos. Manufacturer Points
1 Renault 419
2 Vauxhall 414
3 Volvo 359
4 Ford 236
5 Toyota 172
6 BMW 144
7 Honda 136
8 Alfa Romeo 132
9 Peugeot 127
Teams
Pos. Manufacturer Points
1 Vauxhall Sport 510
2 Williams Renault Dealer Racing 500
3 Volvo 850 Racing 431
4 Valvoline Team Mondeo 247
5 Team Toyota GB 142
6 BMW Team Motorsport 97
7 Honda Team MSD 87
8 Alfa Romeo Old Spice Racing 75
9 Total Team Peugeot 70
10 Team Dynamics 12
your sitting bigging up the e36 318is and haven't a clue about their racing pedigree!!
What does that homologation special 318iS share with the shed in question other than its numerical and letter designation?
re BDR529 and Jack not suprising coming from drivers of poor mens cocks,
Edited by KM666 on Friday 17th June 22:34
KM666 said:
Well if you want to be pedantic 4 pot BMWS from within the last 21 years.
Excluding racing engines.
92 was a good year for BMW although they only had one round over vauxhaull cavaliers and that was with BMWs representing almost half the grid, BMW took the drivers title with Tim Harvey but apparently vauxhall won manufacturers for 92, 93 probably thier best year taking manufacturers. Alfa corse won 9 of the rounds in 94 and so took manufacturers and in 95 BMW came 6th as both manufacturer and team.
The BTCC 318iS's used a 2.0 E30 M S14 engine so have as much in common with the road cars as i do.
Bttc results for 1995 season.
Manufacturers
Pos. Manufacturer Points
1 Renault 419
2 Vauxhall 414
3 Volvo 359
4 Ford 236
5 Toyota 172
6 BMW 144
7 Honda 136
8 Alfa Romeo 132
9 Peugeot 127
Teams
Pos. Manufacturer Points
1 Vauxhall Sport 510
2 Williams Renault Dealer Racing 500
3 Volvo 850 Racing 431
4 Valvoline Team Mondeo 247
5 Team Toyota GB 142
6 BMW Team Motorsport 97
7 Honda Team MSD 87
8 Alfa Romeo Old Spice Racing 75
9 Total Team Peugeot 70
10 Team Dynamics 12
your sitting bigging up the e36 318is and haven't a clue about their racing pedigree!!
What does that homologation special 318iS share with the shed in question other than its numerical and letter designation?
re BDR529 and Jack not suprising coming from drivers of poor mens cocks,
Edited by KM666 on Friday 17th June 22:34
you seriously aren't doing your self any favours are you??
The engine that was used was called the S42B20 which was a race tuned version of the M42.
The M42 engine was bored out to 2.0l with cams, individual throttle bodys, exhaust, and custom software, extra fuel injectors and dry sump,etc.
heres a lovely pic of said engine.......
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:S42B20.jpg
The BMW 318is is a proven track car,loads of info and facts around about it,
i dont know what your problem with the 318is is?
have you drove a good,well looked after example?
Nearly anybody that has owned a good example then sold it always say they miss it and would have another one, theres a reason for that.....they are a good car....FACT!
I have owned mine for over 4 years and still love driving it, it has never let me down, not once!
it is also a cheap car to run,parts are plentiful and not any more expensive then any other make,usually cheaper i've found.
A couple of mods to the engine and drive train makes it even better,
I fitted an LSD (3.64 ratio),big bore throttle body,lighter under drive pulleys,light weight fly wheel, m3 clutch,fogged airbox,full cat back stainless steel exhaust,quick shift,fully poly bushed,eibach adjustable camber arms,strut braces and on coilover suspension. still got few more bits to tweak,remap,antiroll bars,etc.
all these mods have made it even better to drive and sticks to the road like s
te to a blanket!lol Both cars are both good in their own right but for me RWD = FUN...
cant be arsed with this "my dick is bigger than your dick contest" any more,
doesnt matter what anybody says to you, you think you know it all...
It really is your loss if you never drive a 318IS or any E36, true the 318IS isn't the fastest cars in the world but they are fun and very capable when up to speed,especially with an LSD on them....
personally i think your secretly envious of owners of BMW e36's, cant you afford the insurance on one? scared of rear wheel drive? not man enough to correct it if the back end steps out?
build up some no claims for your insurance then some day when you grow up you might get the chance to drive a good E36.
much love,
jack dupp x x x
Edited by Jack Dupp on Friday 17th June 23:03
Jack Dupp said:
And so it goes on.....
you seriously aren't doing your self any favours are you??
The engine that was used was called the S42B20 which was a race tuned version of the M42.
The M42 engine was bored out to 2.0l with cams, individual throttle bodys, exhaust, and custom software, extra fuel injectors and dry sump,etc.
The BMW 318is is a proven track car,loads of info and facts around about it,
i dont know what your problem with the 318is is?
have you drove a good,well looked after example?
Nearly anybody that has owned a good example then sold it always say they miss it and would have another one, theres a reason for that.....they are a good car....FACT!
I have owned mine for over 4 years and still love driving it, it has never let me down, not once!
it is also a cheap car to run,parts are plentiful and not any more expensive then any other make,usually cheaper i've found.
A couple of mods to the engine and drive train makes it even better,
I fitted an LSD (3.64 ratio),big bore throttle body,lighter under drive pulleys,light weight fly wheel, m3 clutch,fogged airbox,full cat back stainless steel exhaust,quick shift,fully poly bushed,eibach adjustable camber arms,strut braces and on coilover suspension. still got few more bits to tweak,remap,antiroll bars,etc.
all these mods have made it even better to drive and sticks to the road like ste to a blanket!lol
Both cars are both good in their own right but for me RWD = FUN...
cant be arsed with this "my dick is bigger than your dick contest" any more,
doesnt matter what anybody says to you, you think you know it all...
It really is your loss if you never drive a 318IS or any E36, true the 318IS isn't the fastest cars in the world but they are fun and very capable when up to speed,especially with an LSD on them....
personally i think your secretly envious of owners of BMW e36's, cant you afford the insurance on one? scared of rear wheel drive? not man enough to correct it if the back end steps out?
build up some no claims for your insurance then some day when you grow up you might get the chance to drive a good E36.
much love,
jack dupp x x x
The engine that was used in the 318is bttc cars was a 'bored down' version of the E30 M3 engine?!?you seriously aren't doing your self any favours are you??
The engine that was used was called the S42B20 which was a race tuned version of the M42.
The M42 engine was bored out to 2.0l with cams, individual throttle bodys, exhaust, and custom software, extra fuel injectors and dry sump,etc.
The BMW 318is is a proven track car,loads of info and facts around about it,
i dont know what your problem with the 318is is?
have you drove a good,well looked after example?
Nearly anybody that has owned a good example then sold it always say they miss it and would have another one, theres a reason for that.....they are a good car....FACT!
I have owned mine for over 4 years and still love driving it, it has never let me down, not once!
it is also a cheap car to run,parts are plentiful and not any more expensive then any other make,usually cheaper i've found.
A couple of mods to the engine and drive train makes it even better,
I fitted an LSD (3.64 ratio),big bore throttle body,lighter under drive pulleys,light weight fly wheel, m3 clutch,fogged airbox,full cat back stainless steel exhaust,quick shift,fully poly bushed,eibach adjustable camber arms,strut braces and on coilover suspension. still got few more bits to tweak,remap,antiroll bars,etc.
all these mods have made it even better to drive and sticks to the road like s
te to a blanket!lol Both cars are both good in their own right but for me RWD = FUN...
cant be arsed with this "my dick is bigger than your dick contest" any more,
doesnt matter what anybody says to you, you think you know it all...
It really is your loss if you never drive a 318IS or any E36, true the 318IS isn't the fastest cars in the world but they are fun and very capable when up to speed,especially with an LSD on them....
personally i think your secretly envious of owners of BMW e36's, cant you afford the insurance on one? scared of rear wheel drive? not man enough to correct it if the back end steps out?
build up some no claims for your insurance then some day when you grow up you might get the chance to drive a good E36.
much love,
jack dupp x x x
The S42B20 was used in the 320 car entered for a German racing series called STW (Super Tourenwagen Cup)
With a few decent oily bits most things will go fast. Its no suprise your car isnt an exception to that rule.
People always miss cars because not so much the car being brilliant but they and the car came together in way that makes cars feel special, it just depends what you happen across as the first serious thing you drive where you can exploit the limits and have a good time.
Haha no, i have no envy towards e36 owners, they 6 pots make a nice sound and the M3s are something a bit special you dont see often but other than that my only feelings towards them are irritation at all the ///M badges and comedy big wheels, and the assumption that even the lowliest model having RWD and long gear ratios means it'll set the world alight.
RWD is great fun, even a 1.6 sierra can be 'convinced' to 'step out' when damp, great fun on roundabouts... On industrial estates of course late at night with the appropriate permission.
And a 125 nsr based go kart will drift a beuty as well as being blindingly quick and using about £2 worth of petty over an hour.
For me something appeals about the easy access giant slaying abilities of capable front divers with a chunk of power and no wieght...
But then i always preferred the Vectra, Mondeo and Laguna touring cars to the A4 and BMW efforts, salt of the earth trying it on with the big boy krautside lane cars.
Edited by KM666 on Friday 17th June 23:27
Edited by KM666 on Friday 17th June 23:30
KM666 said:
The engine that was used in the 318is bttc cars was a 'bored down' version of the E30 M3 engine?!?
The S42B20 was used in the 320 car entered for a German racing series called STW (Super Tourenwagen Cup)
The s42b20 was used it btcc and other race series across europe, think it was 1994 or there abouts when they started using it.The S42B20 was used in the 320 car entered for a German racing series called STW (Super Tourenwagen Cup)
BMW did make a 320is for the italian market that had a 2.0litre s14 engine in it,
think it was that engine that they used first then changed to the s42b20.
so we're both technically right...
I'd love to build a replica s42b20...mmmm....one day.....
Jack Dupp said:
The s42b20 was used it btcc and other race series across europe, think it was 1994 or there abouts when they started using it.
BMW did make a 320is for the italian market that had a 2.0litre s14 engine in it,
think it was that engine that they used first then changed to the s42b20.
so we're both technically right...
I'd love to build a replica s42b20...mmmm....one day.....
ahh when they didnt win! There was somewhere else that got them too maybe portugal? i'm not certain... That'd be something special. BMW did make a 320is for the italian market that had a 2.0litre s14 engine in it,
think it was that engine that they used first then changed to the s42b20.
so we're both technically right...
I'd love to build a replica s42b20...mmmm....one day.....
KM666 said:
ahh when they didnt win! There was somewhere else that got them too maybe portugal? i'm not certain... That'd be something special.
heres the full history for you....enjoy...Details/
Nationality: German
Statistics/
BTCC Debut: Silverstone, 1 April 1991
BTCC Last race: Brands Hatch, 22 September 1996
BTCC Titles: 1
BTCC Races: 118
BTCC Wins: 28
BTCC Podiums: 58
BTCC Poles: 23
BTCC Fastest Laps: 27
Cars used/
1991 BMW M3
1992 BMW 318is
1993 BMW 318i
1994 BMW 318is
1995 BMW 318i
1996 BMW 320i
Drivers/
1991 Jonathan Palmer, Steve Soper, Tim Sugden, Christian Danner
1992 Tim Sugden, Alain Menu, Kris Nissen
1993 Joachim Winkelhock, Steve Soper
1994 Joachim Winkelhock, Steve Soper, Roberto Ravaglia
1995 David Brabham, Johnny Ceccoto
1996 Joachim Winkelhock, Roberto Ravaglia, Peter Kox
Titles/
1993 Manufacturer Championship
BMW contested the BTCC since the 1970s and was a prolific winner, particularly during the early years of the championship’s 2-litre era. Its M3 model won the experimental 2-litre class in 1990 in the hands of Frank Sytner and the Prodrive team. In 1991, with the BTCC exclusively for 2-litre machinery, the M3 won the title outright with Will Hoy and privateer VLR team. VLR became a factory BMW team for 1992, switching to the Munich marque’s 318 model. Tim Harvey drove it to title success while, in 1993, it was the turn of BMW’s internationally-acclaimed Bavarian team Schnitzer to do the winning, with the spectacular German driver Jo Winkelhock. Ex-Formula 1 drivers David Brabham and Johnny Cecotto would drive the factory cars in 1995 before Winkelhock returned for the manufacturer’s swansong year in 1996.
http://www.btcc.net/html/history_manufacturer_deta...
Edited by Jack Dupp on Saturday 18th June 00:00
KM666 said:
re BDR529 and Jack not suprising coming from drivers of poor mens cocks,
Edited by KM666 on Friday 17th June 22:34
Credible as ever, I'm poor now then? Your Transit must have been a symbol of true prestige.I didn't buy my car for the badge, I bought it because it's a damn good car.
imho of course..
I had a slight peek at 318iS this week. It's been for sale for a while. One of the rear arches wasn't rusty, can't vouch for the other as didn't want to appear too keen. The interior of this SOTW looked much better than the one I looked at. It was dark with patterned cloth bits that just looked a bit like that seen on something Japanese and it didn't have a sunroof which is good with me.
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