Nobody wants big engined petrols for trade-in.
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The common theme is that you are talking to people trying to sell you a car.
Black car? Ooh no demand for those guv, everyone wants silver.
Silver car? Ooh no demand for those guv, the markets full of em, people want something different.
Big engine? Ooh can't sell those for love nor money, everyone wants small diesels.
Small engined diesel? Ooh markets full of those guv, no margin in em.
Black car? Ooh no demand for those guv, everyone wants silver.
Silver car? Ooh no demand for those guv, the markets full of em, people want something different.
Big engine? Ooh can't sell those for love nor money, everyone wants small diesels.
Small engined diesel? Ooh markets full of those guv, no margin in em.
macky17 said:
328mpg! I use more than that walking. Yes, it is interesting how much of a difference there is between 20mpg and, say, 14. Ferraris and Astons are unforgivably thirsty. The 'vette does an average of 24 and 34 on a run.
I find it interesting 100mpg costs £590.99 and 328mpg is £180.18, there isn't much reason to go beyond 60mpg (£984.99) for manufacturers. If you could ever go above 100mpg in the first place it would probably cost more in maintenance (DPF . dual mass flywheel etc, depreciation from costs ) than fuel.Edit: The entire key to this is the distance remains the same or thereabouts so making the equation worse for high mpg. If distances increased along with mpg
it would make perfect sense to buy a 100mpg car.
Edited by tercelgold on Friday 3rd June 19:38
6 litre V12 here with a 100 litre fuel tank and used around London.
Do I get a prize? *grin*
In all seriousness, they are actually surprising frugal for what it is (huge engine and huge car) and not far off 30mpg when on the motorway (70mph is below 2000 rpm)
The way I look at it is that, buying used, I can get a flagship car that cost a fortune (£120,000 on the road in 1998 for the current beast!) for next to nothing and even if it was to guzzle fuel and incur the odd repair, I am still ahead of an econobox (for what I want out of a car note...some people are fine with econoboxes).
Do I get a prize? *grin*
In all seriousness, they are actually surprising frugal for what it is (huge engine and huge car) and not far off 30mpg when on the motorway (70mph is below 2000 rpm)
The way I look at it is that, buying used, I can get a flagship car that cost a fortune (£120,000 on the road in 1998 for the current beast!) for next to nothing and even if it was to guzzle fuel and incur the odd repair, I am still ahead of an econobox (for what I want out of a car note...some people are fine with econoboxes).
Tricky one for me.
I couldn't sell the ST24 for love nor money. Nearly had to pay someone to take it away.
The ST averaged 30 mpg over it's lifetime and did a mileage of around 10000 to 12000 per annum.
I replaced it with a 2.0HDI that gets 50 mpg around town and upto 60 mpg on a run. Mileage will stay roughly the same per annum.
The fuel savings alone made the change worthwhile although it did cost to change vehicle.
The crux is this.
Although I now drive a crappy 306 Diesel, I am no unhappier than when I had the V6 ST.
The thing is a hoot to drive, is just as practical and IMO looks decent enough.
But most importantly, I can still have fun whilst living in a large city.
Can you all honestly say that you get to utilise and appreciate your cars performance at every opportunity? Because I couldn't with the ST. My progress was constantly hampered which meant driving the thing was a real pain as I could never open the taps.
Now I get to ride around on a wave full of torque steer which is just as fun as letting that V6 roar was.
I was considering a Legacy GTB but what the hell is the point when it'll spend most of it's life under 50mph whilst stuck behind some
who has decided not to drive at the speed limit.
Everyones circumstances are different but when I live in Birmingham and everything I need is within the city, it makes no sense.
I couldn't sell the ST24 for love nor money. Nearly had to pay someone to take it away.
The ST averaged 30 mpg over it's lifetime and did a mileage of around 10000 to 12000 per annum.
I replaced it with a 2.0HDI that gets 50 mpg around town and upto 60 mpg on a run. Mileage will stay roughly the same per annum.
The fuel savings alone made the change worthwhile although it did cost to change vehicle.
The crux is this.
Although I now drive a crappy 306 Diesel, I am no unhappier than when I had the V6 ST.
The thing is a hoot to drive, is just as practical and IMO looks decent enough.
But most importantly, I can still have fun whilst living in a large city.
Can you all honestly say that you get to utilise and appreciate your cars performance at every opportunity? Because I couldn't with the ST. My progress was constantly hampered which meant driving the thing was a real pain as I could never open the taps.
Now I get to ride around on a wave full of torque steer which is just as fun as letting that V6 roar was.
I was considering a Legacy GTB but what the hell is the point when it'll spend most of it's life under 50mph whilst stuck behind some
who has decided not to drive at the speed limit.Everyones circumstances are different but when I live in Birmingham and everything I need is within the city, it makes no sense.
I bought a 2.4 Accord a few years ago. Had a small personal loan out on it which is now finished.
So, the car is paid for - £170 a month more in the account.
So after having the car 2 years I though Id look at something a bit more frugal. Thing is, once Ive taken the hit on the trade in or been offered little for an 82k 2 owner car and worked out the finance on the next car, it doesnt really work out to try and save money through road tax and lower mpg. Theres nothing wrong with the Accord, its a sub 8 second 0-60, 140mph and seats 5. Id miss the performance and comfort to save a few ££. Maybe.
I'd have thought ST220's still have a good following - theres always someone that wants a fast saloon!
So, the car is paid for - £170 a month more in the account.
So after having the car 2 years I though Id look at something a bit more frugal. Thing is, once Ive taken the hit on the trade in or been offered little for an 82k 2 owner car and worked out the finance on the next car, it doesnt really work out to try and save money through road tax and lower mpg. Theres nothing wrong with the Accord, its a sub 8 second 0-60, 140mph and seats 5. Id miss the performance and comfort to save a few ££. Maybe.
I'd have thought ST220's still have a good following - theres always someone that wants a fast saloon!
Tonberry said:
Tricky one for me.
I couldn't sell the ST24 for love nor money. Nearly had to pay someone to take it away.
The ST averaged 30 mpg over it's lifetime and did a mileage of around 10000 to 12000 per annum.
I replaced it with a 2.0HDI that gets 50 mpg around town and upto 60 mpg on a run. Mileage will stay roughly the same per annum.
The fuel savings alone made the change worthwhile although it did cost to change vehicle.
The crux is this.
Although I now drive a crappy 306 Diesel, I am no unhappier than when I had the V6 ST.
The thing is a hoot to drive, is just as practical and IMO looks decent enough.
But most importantly, I can still have fun whilst living in a large city.
Can you all honestly say that you get to utilise and appreciate your cars performance at every opportunity? Because I couldn't with the ST. My progress was constantly hampered which meant driving the thing was a real pain as I could never open the taps.
Now I get to ride around on a wave full of torque steer which is just as fun as letting that V6 roar was.
I was considering a Legacy GTB but what the hell is the point when it'll spend most of it's life under 50mph whilst stuck behind some who has decided not to drive at the speed limit.
Everyones circumstances are different but when I live in Birmingham and everything I need is within the city, it makes no sense.
This is my main point of concern for the v6.I couldn't sell the ST24 for love nor money. Nearly had to pay someone to take it away.
The ST averaged 30 mpg over it's lifetime and did a mileage of around 10000 to 12000 per annum.
I replaced it with a 2.0HDI that gets 50 mpg around town and upto 60 mpg on a run. Mileage will stay roughly the same per annum.
The fuel savings alone made the change worthwhile although it did cost to change vehicle.
The crux is this.
Although I now drive a crappy 306 Diesel, I am no unhappier than when I had the V6 ST.
The thing is a hoot to drive, is just as practical and IMO looks decent enough.
But most importantly, I can still have fun whilst living in a large city.
Can you all honestly say that you get to utilise and appreciate your cars performance at every opportunity? Because I couldn't with the ST. My progress was constantly hampered which meant driving the thing was a real pain as I could never open the taps.
Now I get to ride around on a wave full of torque steer which is just as fun as letting that V6 roar was.
I was considering a Legacy GTB but what the hell is the point when it'll spend most of it's life under 50mph whilst stuck behind some
who has decided not to drive at the speed limit.Everyones circumstances are different but when I live in Birmingham and everything I need is within the city, it makes no sense.
And believe me, im not shy when it comes to wanting a big car. I nearly went and bought a VXR8 last year but bought a house instead. (Im still pretty suprised the cheapest vxr8 on autotrader is listed at £17,000 but thats another story - maybe you could haggle down a lot).
Anyway, back to the point, is the v6 doing me any good? For the one or two overtakes per week a normal car wouldnt manage... Is it worth all the trips to the petrol station and all the expense? I love driving, but havnt been out for a hoon since i cant remember.
I now wince when i have to put the hammer down, as i know im just blowing £££ out of the exhaust. I also have to spend all the time thinking about what gear im best in, constant check on the revs, in all the effort to drive on a more economical basis. After 20 minutes today of driving in 28degree weather, i finally buckled and put the A/C on. I felt my wallet get lighter as i heard the compressor fire up for the first time in months.
Worst thing i did, and i still regret it every day, was selling my vectra diesel. 40mpg on a v6 if driven carefully with enough torque to get me moving. Lovely to drive and had 16,000 on the clock when i got rid :'(
hornetrider said:
PhilboSE said:
Seriously, why do people worry about the road tax as part of the cost of running a car? Yes it's a cost to be borne but nothing compared to the depreciation of the car.
Because people are stupid. We as petrolheads should rejoice however, because it means we can get massive V8s for peanuts.Also Winky stiffed the motorist too recently there was the spectre of £500 road tax for the family car, people may be wary of high bracket cars as the costs are only likely to go up from here.
Acheron said:
Went to look at a car today, and three out of three times, i've been offered £1500 lower than the book price. (Mondeo st220).
As the dealer, probably correctly said, 'we dont need them, we cant shift them, and people dont want to buy them, they all want little diesels then can pay £20 a year road tax on'.
Bah. Might just keep it now and keep punching holes in the o-zone layer with it, just to prove a point.
I know what you mean. I just sold one big engined petrol for another so what I lost on one side of the trade I made up for (maybe more than) on the other. It's only a problem if you want to step away into a more popular genre of car (such as a nearly new diesel supermini ... and who wants to do that)As the dealer, probably correctly said, 'we dont need them, we cant shift them, and people dont want to buy them, they all want little diesels then can pay £20 a year road tax on'.
Bah. Might just keep it now and keep punching holes in the o-zone layer with it, just to prove a point.
Acheron said:
After 20 minutes today of driving in 28degree weather, i finally buckled and put the A/C on. I felt my wallet get lighter as i heard the compressor fire up for the first time in months.
It's really bad for the air conditioning if you don't run it regularly. I make sure I use mine at least once every journey for a few miles unless it's baking hot of course!DazRSK said:
Me personally - I've got a small wager on that fuel will drop to £1.20pl by this time 2012. We can only hope. Do you remember when we all complained that the fuel broke 100ppl ? Frightenly, that wasn't so long ago.
Almost two years ago to the day around here. I got my M3 May 20th 2009, got two tanks at 99.9p and that was the last time it was less than £1pl.As others have said, no matter what car you're trading in they'll always say there's no market for it for one reason or another. Unless you're buying another big engined car then that currently is the favorite choice to beat you down on price.
Acheron said:
Went to look at a car today, and three out of three times, i've been offered £1500 lower than the book price. (Mondeo st220)
Good time to buy then 
Seriously though, why not keep it? Yes a derv would be more economical, but how long would you have to keep it to SAVE £1500 on fuel?
Plus if you own a 3.0 car then there's no need to be stingy with AC, there's very little difference in MPG in my experience, just be comfortable.
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