Roads resurfaced with tar and chipping stones.....
Discussion
shouldbworking said:
Constantly being done around here in somerset, even on heavily potholed roads where nothing is done to rectify the actual problem. The new surface serves to camouflage the potholes making it even more annoying when you hit them.
As for cycling or riding a motorbike, its an accident waiting to happen. Nearly spilled off the motorbike the other day under gentle braking on a road that had had this treatment a while back, leaving a swathe of ball bearing like pebbles between the tyre ruts.
You don't live near Radstock do you? I was driving down there a few months ago and the roads were awful.As for cycling or riding a motorbike, its an accident waiting to happen. Nearly spilled off the motorbike the other day under gentle braking on a road that had had this treatment a while back, leaving a swathe of ball bearing like pebbles between the tyre ruts.
chrisr29 said:
The week before they'd closed lanes off 'cause they were cutting the grass, this week they bugger everyone's journey up with stupid gravel. w
kers!
Nicely buggered up in time for Royal Ascot next week kers!
I think I'm going to walk the 14 miles to work as I'll get there quicker..
Was just asking this same question myself, as they used this method in the main road by my house recently.
The road was in perfectly good condition, with nice, smooth tarmac laid a couple of years ago. Lines were repainted within the last year.
The irony of it is one of the worst patches of the road, a nasty double bend has not been touched, all the cracks and subsidence and holes have been left!
The road was in perfectly good condition, with nice, smooth tarmac laid a couple of years ago. Lines were repainted within the last year.
The irony of it is one of the worst patches of the road, a nasty double bend has not been touched, all the cracks and subsidence and holes have been left!
They've just done this to some of the roads i use to get to work. An absolute pain in the car, near lethal on the bike. Its absolutely pointless, it amplifies any existing ruts, makes the holes around manhole covers/drains deeper and leaves tonnes of loose crap on the road. Some of the roads where they've covered over paint in previous years on other roads has now worn through, so this time they haven't done painted/high grip areas of the roads: these were the worst bits previously.
On the road they did last month the pot holes are already reopening. On the road that they did this weekend they stopped short of the worst section of road, ie went up to it and then stopped.
Theres a reason this method is cheaper than doing it properly: its st. Buy cheap, buy twice.
On the road they did last month the pot holes are already reopening. On the road that they did this weekend they stopped short of the worst section of road, ie went up to it and then stopped.
Theres a reason this method is cheaper than doing it properly: its s
t. Buy cheap, buy twice.
The roads that have been done round here, (Lots on the IOW) tend to be no worse once worn in than they were before and in a few cases, much better. Lots more grip on them too as the surface is much more abrasive, probably kills tyres though.
All in all, I'd rather the week or so annoyance and then a mildly improved road over an completely untouched one. BUt then I have crap cars so I don't care...
All in all, I'd rather the week or so annoyance and then a mildly improved road over an completely untouched one. BUt then I have crap cars so I don't care...
They did a section of road like this on my commute to work late last year. Since the weather has warmed up though the bonding material has obviously gone a little soft. At the entrance to a factory used by lorries etc (which is on the main highway) it's as if the road has been torn up. It's now covered in ruts where the stone chip layer has been dragged around and deformed.
This has added to the stone chip misery and made this section of road even worse.
I think i'll do the usual thing and report it to the council asap.
This has added to the stone chip misery and made this section of road even worse.
I think i'll do the usual thing and report it to the council asap.
Absoutely feel your pain NEDZ, what a frickin joke it is. They have also done the roads around the town centre now with this crap.
Its been a week now and the crap they have put on top of the tar still hasnt settled or bedded in, so every day every journey it sounds like paint balls (Pale blue ones at that, Pale blue??) are peppering my car. They stick to the alloys,the front bumper and I've even found some on the roof now too.
Its been a week now and the crap they have put on top of the tar still hasnt settled or bedded in, so every day every journey it sounds like paint balls (Pale blue ones at that, Pale blue??) are peppering my car. They stick to the alloys,the front bumper and I've even found some on the roof now too.
The Black Duke said:
shouldbworking said:
Constantly being done around here in somerset, even on heavily potholed roads where nothing is done to rectify the actual problem. The new surface serves to camouflage the potholes making it even more annoying when you hit them.
As for cycling or riding a motorbike, its an accident waiting to happen. Nearly spilled off the motorbike the other day under gentle braking on a road that had had this treatment a while back, leaving a swathe of ball bearing like pebbles between the tyre ruts.
You don't live near Radstock do you? I was driving down there a few months ago and the roads were awful.As for cycling or riding a motorbike, its an accident waiting to happen. Nearly spilled off the motorbike the other day under gentle braking on a road that had had this treatment a while back, leaving a swathe of ball bearing like pebbles between the tyre ruts.
Zwoelf said:
Nicely buggered up in time for Royal Ascot next week
I think I'm going to walk the 14 miles to work as I'll get there quicker..
i go the same sort of distance each day on this road and you would not belive the nightmare i had on monday - i moved from Twin Bridges roundabout to the sports centre - a distance of around a mile.....in 2 hoursI think I'm going to walk the 14 miles to work as I'll get there quicker..
so by the sounds of things they are going to have to close the roads again and do the job properly this time - its just a f
king nightmare!daveenty said:
Totally irrelevant to the topic (which I also have to suffer and hate) but what a cool site.
Highlighted a paragraph by mistake (or boredom) and it spoke to me. (after pressing the button)
Never come across this before, and glad I was sober when I did.
Must be for blind people - they can highlight the text that they can't see Highlighted a paragraph by mistake (or boredom) and it spoke to me. (after pressing the button)
Never come across this before, and glad I was sober when I did.
Dog Star said:
XL1000V said:
Its bad enough in a car, try coming round a corner on a bike to find a road thats just been freshly done. 
Was out with some mates in the Peak District a couple of years ago where this had been done - they were deep too. Absolutely lethal - it was like riding on marbles.
Nedz said:
I am wondering if there are any other areas in the uk where the local authorities have decided to waste more of our money by resurfacing perfectly good roads by covering them with tar then throwing an inch of chipping stones all over them.This has been happening in my area now for the last couple of years now and last week the road directly outside my close has been done meaning each time i leave the house i get shot blasted by 10mm stone chippings from every direction for the first mile of my journey.
I understand the roads have taken a hammering from the last two winters,but the roads they are doing this to are in perfect condition and the roads damaged by the frost ie.full of pot holes have just been filled with tarmac.
I really cant see the point of it and all it seems to achieve is to cover everyones cars with tar spots and stone chips.Has anyone else had this kind of resurfacing work done in their area recently and are as pissed off with it as i am.
Been doing it for years, in the last week they have "resurfaced" 7 roads on my way to work, all are now a death trap with a mixture of people doing 15mph and people doing 50, loose gravel, stone chippings hitting windscreens and bikers and all the chippings have ended up on the roundabout's and junctions at each end making it difficult to stop/set off I understand the roads have taken a hammering from the last two winters,but the roads they are doing this to are in perfect condition and the roads damaged by the frost ie.full of pot holes have just been filled with tarmac.
I really cant see the point of it and all it seems to achieve is to cover everyones cars with tar spots and stone chips.Has anyone else had this kind of resurfacing work done in their area recently and are as pissed off with it as i am.
I used to be the Contracts Manager for Derbyshires annual surface dressing programme. I am not defending the process, I hate taking my cars onto freshly dressed roads and tend to avoid them.
Surface dressing is not resurfacing, it’s preventative maintenance. It is carried out for a number of reasons, usually to stop the ingress of water into a crazed or damaged surface, (to increase the life of the existing surfacing) and / or to restore the skid resistance of the road in question.
Generally a layer of bitumen emulsion is sprayed onto the surface and the chippings are spread on top. A pneumatic tyred roller orientates the chippings and starts the embedment into the road surface, although this embedment process depends on the action of traffic over time to work fully. The work has to be carried out during fair weather as the road surface needs to be within temperature parameters for the dressing to work.
The roads are swept once the initial bond is made and they should be swept repeatedly until any excess of chippings is removed. Roads very often shed chippings that were not fully bedded when the first frosts of winter come and it’s worth being on the look out for this, particularly if you ride bikes.
Each road has its own dressing designed, it’s not a random process. The rate of spread of binder, size and skid resistance of the chippings being the basic factors which depend on the softness and condition of the existing road, extent of bends, speed of road, amount of shade and so forth.
The treated roads have usually settled after a few months and you will certainly drive over roads that have been dressed years ago and not realise now that you on a dressed surface.
Surface dressing works out at pennies per square meter for non urban locations and like it or not, it is the most cost effective maintenance available. It’s also widely used on the continent btw – it’s not just us tight Brits!
As I said, I don’t like it either, but I can’t think of a viable alternative.
Surface dressing is not resurfacing, it’s preventative maintenance. It is carried out for a number of reasons, usually to stop the ingress of water into a crazed or damaged surface, (to increase the life of the existing surfacing) and / or to restore the skid resistance of the road in question.
Generally a layer of bitumen emulsion is sprayed onto the surface and the chippings are spread on top. A pneumatic tyred roller orientates the chippings and starts the embedment into the road surface, although this embedment process depends on the action of traffic over time to work fully. The work has to be carried out during fair weather as the road surface needs to be within temperature parameters for the dressing to work.
The roads are swept once the initial bond is made and they should be swept repeatedly until any excess of chippings is removed. Roads very often shed chippings that were not fully bedded when the first frosts of winter come and it’s worth being on the look out for this, particularly if you ride bikes.
Each road has its own dressing designed, it’s not a random process. The rate of spread of binder, size and skid resistance of the chippings being the basic factors which depend on the softness and condition of the existing road, extent of bends, speed of road, amount of shade and so forth.
The treated roads have usually settled after a few months and you will certainly drive over roads that have been dressed years ago and not realise now that you on a dressed surface.
Surface dressing works out at pennies per square meter for non urban locations and like it or not, it is the most cost effective maintenance available. It’s also widely used on the continent btw – it’s not just us tight Brits!
As I said, I don’t like it either, but I can’t think of a viable alternative.
nouze said:
mickey gee, does you think that if each person who had their car damaged would claim a cost of respray it would still be the most cost effective solution? it seems to me that the reason it is so effective is because the onus is on drivers as they do the actual "bonding".
So would you prefer1 They didn't repair the roads as potholes are far better as you can drive round them without the potential disater of a stonechip
2 Increased council tax by a huge amount to cover the costs of repairs
The country is broke and this is the best you will get
'Work' is still ongoing outside my house some 5 hours later. I say work, I mean tea drinking, fag smoking, arse scratching, awaiting retirement/death (whichever comes soonest). In fairness the stretch they're doing is about half a mile of unclassified country lane, best not to rush these things.
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