RE: Seat To Bring Twin-Engined Rally Car To Goodwood

RE: Seat To Bring Twin-Engined Rally Car To Goodwood

Wednesday 29th June 2011

Seat To Bring Twin-Engined Rally Car To Goodwood

Ibiza 'Bimotor' to star on the rally stage at FoS



One of the highlights of the Goodwood Festival of Speed is undoubtedly the rally stage, where you get a chance to see rally cars and rally stars of the past and present fling themselves sideways around one of Lord March's garden copses.

This year will be no different, except that joining the usual gaggle of classic Escorts, WRC motors and Group B monsters will be, er, a 1980s Seat Ibiza.

No if that sounds about as interesting as watching a tractor plough a field, bear with us, because this is no ordinary Seat. Nope, this one has two engines.

It's called the Ibiza Bimotor rally car, and features two 1461cc 8-valve engines mounted transversely - one in the front and one in the back - to create a 125ps four-wheel-drive rally car. It even achieved a modicum of competitive success in the Spanish Gravel Rallies Championship.

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Dr G

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14,274 posts

214 months

Tuesday 28th June 2011
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125PS each, surely?

dave stew

1,502 posts

139 months

Tuesday 28th June 2011
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Does anyone remember the MiniTwinny or indeed a twin engined Scirroco?

EDLT

15,326 posts

178 months

Tuesday 28th June 2011
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62.5hp from a 1.4 8valve sounds about right if they were using VW engines at the time.

soxboy

4,323 posts

191 months

Tuesday 28th June 2011
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EDLT said:
62.5hp from a 1.4 8valve sounds about right if they were using VW engines at the time.
They were Porsche engines weren't they? Or, should I say, Porsche-engineered engines.

craig2003

1,202 posts

178 months

Tuesday 28th June 2011
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dave stew said:
Does anyone remember the MiniTwinny or indeed a twin engined Scirroco?
I remember that Sirocco

http://www.driversfound.com/scirocco/history/bimot...

jbforce10

286 posts

147 months

Tuesday 28th June 2011
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chris333

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211 months

Tuesday 28th June 2011
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soxboy said:
EDLT said:
62.5hp from a 1.4 8valve sounds about right if they were using VW engines at the time.
They were Porsche engines weren't they? Or, should I say, Porsche-engineered engines.
I remember this Ibiza as my mum had a 1.2 one. They were indeed badged as "Porsche Engineered" , but in fact couldn't pull the skin off a rice pudding, and the interior was the cheapest nastiest place you could imagine,

legalknievel

332 posts

169 months

Tuesday 28th June 2011
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I got pretty excited in a sort of 10 year old sees a lambo kind of way when I saw the headline. Twin engines craziness etc... But is 250 ps a bit rubbish for such a crazy car? it must be pretty heavy too...

ChiChoAndy

73,668 posts

227 months

Wednesday 29th June 2011
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I'm struggling to see the point.

DJ330

1 posts

126 months

Wednesday 29th June 2011
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So thats where the chavs in 306's have been getting the bi motor idea from...

ivantate

164 posts

140 months

Wednesday 29th June 2011
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There really is no point with such underwhelming power from the engines.

ikarl

3,668 posts

171 months

Wednesday 29th June 2011
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http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/2011/05/twin-engi...

twin engined MR2 - on the face of it a rather easy conversion resulting in AWD and 260hp. Put a mk2 turbo together with a gt4 front though and you can a very unstressed AWD with 500hp!!!

Oddball RS

1,757 posts

190 months

Wednesday 29th June 2011
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soxboy said:
EDLT said:
62.5hp from a 1.4 8valve sounds about right if they were using VW engines at the time.
They were Porsche engines weren't they? Or, should I say, Porsche-engineered engines.
Errr no.........

sim16v

2,170 posts

173 months

Wednesday 29th June 2011
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VW have done quite a few twin engined cars, a couple specifically for the Pikes Peak Hillclimb.


The first Peaks golf had two 1.3 turbo transverse engines , followed by a twin 1.8L 16v car with the engines mounted longitudinally.

They even did a twin engined mk1 Jetta!

soxboy

4,323 posts

191 months

Wednesday 29th June 2011
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Oddball RS said:
soxboy said:
EDLT said:
62.5hp from a 1.4 8valve sounds about right if they were using VW engines at the time.
They were Porsche engines weren't they? Or, should I say, Porsche-engineered engines.
Errr no.........
Then why were they badged 'System Porsche'?

muthaducka

381 posts

156 months

Wednesday 29th June 2011
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Oddball RS said:
Errr no.........
Porsche were involved but only in the powertrain and gearbox development. I wasn't sure myself so wanted to find out for definite:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SEAT_Ibiza

This version, while it established the now classic Ibiza shape, was advertised as having "Italian styling and German engines": having its bodywork been designed by Giorgetto Giugiaro's Italdesign[3][4] and was prepared for industrialisation by the German manufacturer Karmann. It was based on the SEAT Ronda, a small family car, with a gearbox and powertrain developed in collaboration with Porsche, thus named under licence System Porsche.

Still don't get it. Low powered engine x2? Wouldn't it have been better just to fit a larger capacity engine with the same output that would have been lighter.
Maybe the balance would be good with one in the back and one in the front.....mmmm - would be nice to know more about this car and the reason why two engines were dropped in...

Jacobyte

4,638 posts

214 months

Wednesday 29th June 2011
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va1o

15,957 posts

179 months

Wednesday 29th June 2011
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Shows how far we have progressed since the current Ibiza Cupra manages 180PS from a single 1.4 petrol!

B10

1,105 posts

239 months

Wednesday 29th June 2011
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Read on a Spanish site that each engine had Webers and developed 125ps apiece. So 250ps altogether.

jimjim150

213 posts

156 months

Wednesday 29th June 2011
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Found out for definite, then present link to Wikipedia - priceless.