Original Modern Designs

[LawrenceOfArabia]

Always thought the mk1 Focus was a fairly original design, in RS guise or standard.

[RedWhiteMonkey]

300bhp/ton said:

I just don't get your love for these things. Obviously looks are subjective but having been a passenger in one of these and also after driving one I just don't get it. The ride was fairly awful and the quality of the interior reminded me of chinese takeaway containers. Nasty things in my opinion.

[doodlebug]

glazbagun said:

And the Fiat Multipla:

I've never understood the hate for these. If you've given up on life, had children and need to taxi them around then you are unlikely to get you leg over any more. These must be the next best thing or am I missing something?

[doodlebug]

RedWhiteMonkey said:

300bhp/ton said:

I just don't get your love for these things. Obviously looks are subjective but having been a passenger in one of these and also after driving one I just don't get it. The ride was fairly awful and the quality of the interior reminded me of chinese takeaway containers. Nasty things in my opinion.

Me too. These are seriously ste. Not quite as ste as the convertible and seriously, thanks for not posting a picture of that abortion!

[the_kato]

Aye the Bangle E60 has really grown on me. Used to think it was grim, but it's aged well

Also this

[cheesyblob]

Let me rephrase the original post. I mean original, as in a lot different to other cars currently on sale, not different to every car ever made, so 300BHP/Ton's suggestions are good, but I don't see what the person who posted up the E60 is on about. Looks pretty much the same as an A6 and the E-Class to me, and pretty much the same as all of BMW's other offerings.

[Daniel1]

the_kato said:

Aye the Bangle E60 has really grown on me. Used to think it was grim, but it's aged well

Also this

Im looking out the window and its raining like cats and dogs. But i still fancy taking that out.

[yellowbentines]

cheesyblob said:

Let me rephrase the original post. I mean original, as in a lot different to other cars currently on sale, not different to every car ever made, so 300BHP/Ton's suggestions are good, but I don't see what the person who posted up the E60 is on about. Looks pretty much the same as an A6 and the E-Class to me, and pretty much the same as all of BMW's other offerings.

It's his opinion though isn't it?

In your OP you posted Jag XF, which in my opinion is a nice looking exec car, but not radically different in a stand out way from it's competitors.

Similarly, have you been in a Vauxhall Signum, it's just a bigger, uglier Vectra - inside it's standard Vectra fare, same goes for engines, and in terms of exterior styling its nothing special at all.

All IMO of course

[didelydoo]

Ka, Puma and the Focus were all a step in a new direction.

[yellowbentines]

didelydoo said:

Ka, Puma and the Focus were all a step in a new direction.

And they didn't mess about with terrible facelifts of the designs (other than a few little tweaks here and there), they replaced them altogether, so the originals still look original.

[ajprice]

The 2 cars that have replacements (Ka and Focus) don't look as good as the original models. The Ka just looks like a shrunken and melted Fiesta, and the Focus Mk2 and now Mk3 look more and more dull and 'safe' designs. The original Ka and Focus were great looking and original.

[sday12]

Another thread hijacked and ruined by 300 bhp/ton with his american junk.

[cheesyblob]

sday12 said:

Another thread hijacked and ruined by 300 bhp/ton with his american junk.

I have already stated that his reply was one of the best so far, so therefore your the one posting a pointless post

[Superhoop]

Surely there's a place in this thread for the PH favourite MX-5

Granted it's not exactly new now, but at launch, it reinvigorated the car buying publics love of the 2 seater sports car, which at that point was almost non existent

Sorry to disagree with you 300BHP, but whilst to some the PT Cruiser may look ok, I don't think that's why people dislike it - it's severely floored by the way it drives.... A bowl of custard would probably go round corners better

[cheesyblob]

Superhoop said:

Surely there's a place in this thread for the PH favourite MX-5

Granted it's not exactly new now, but at launch, it reinvigorated the car buying publics love of the 2 seater sports car, which at that point was almost non existent

Good call.

[marcosgt]

300bhp/ton said:

That is 100% bks and you know it if you were to step back and look a bit.

1. The Mustang has been in continual production since its creation, thus making no more a recreation than a MKVI Golf GTI is. And making this current modern FULLY modern.
2. It looks like a Mustang, it DOESN'T look like a 1960's one, hugely different. Sure they could have just made a blob of a car and stuck a Mustang badge on... but they didn't.

Nope - You're talking bks, but clearly DON'T know it... Like the GT, it's just a modern reinterpretation of an old design... Just because something's been in constant production doesn't make the latest version 'original', especially when it so blatantly references and earlier version.

Same holds true of the Mini - Sure it's got little to do with the original design (VW Beetle too), but it draws ALL its design cues from the original car (You could make a strong case the Ferrari 360 is in the same camp). Not only not original but blatantly derivative to the point of pastiche!

As you say, the Corvette has been in continual development and it's pretty much always been a derivation of the same design - Short trunk, long hood, pointy at the front... No problem with that, but it's not original this time anymore than it was last time or the time before that!

300bhp/tonne said:

marcosgt said:

PT Cruiser - a 40s hotrod lookalike

Try Google mate, you might be surprised. Partly in the fact that that isn't the concenus and the fact that's 40's hot
rods look nothing like the PT Cruiser.

OK, maybe "hotrod" is the wrong word, but a 2 second search yields this...



If you can't see major similarities with whatever that is, you're being pedantic, obtuse or need a trip to the opticians...

300Bhp/Tonne said:

-sadly most on here hate it because it's American

If you're seriously suggesting that's the only reason to hate it, it doesn't says a lot for the state of American cars...

No, but it says a lot for the ignorance of your average Brit/PH'er

Come on now, as an owner of two oddball cars, you should be well aware PH forum opinion and folk lore have little bearing on how good the cars can actually be and how original.

But all the Brits who've suffered one are clearly wrong?

I must admit I kind of like the PT's quirky looks (although it's not original), but I know it's a foul car based on using one for a week, not PH 'knowledge'...

On Jeeps, I'll give you the orignal was original (which makes the claims about the Land Rover so odd - Thanks for the info on that, btw), but your example of an "Original Modern Design" was just another small 4WD, sorry...

M.

[yellowbentines]

cheesyblob said:

Superhoop said:

Surely there's a place in this thread for the PH favourite MX-5

Granted it's not exactly new now, but at launch, it reinvigorated the car buying publics love of the 2 seater sports car, which at that point was almost non existent

Good call.

But it's not original, lotus elan anyone?!

[cheesyblob]

yellowbentines said:

cheesyblob said:

Superhoop said:

Surely there's a place in this thread for the PH favourite MX-5

Granted it's not exactly new now, but at launch, it reinvigorated the car buying publics love of the 2 seater sports car, which at that point was almost non existent

Good call.

But it's not original, lotus elan anyone?!

As i've already said, I mean modern designs that are nothing like other modern designs, but they can be like designs of the past.

[Crafty_]

marcosgt said:

Nope - You're talking bks, but clearly DON'T know it... Like the GT, it's just a modern reinterpretation of an old design... Just because something's been in constant production doesn't make the latest version 'original', especially when it so blatantly references and earlier version.

hang on, it was a recreation, now its a reinterpretation ?
Either way the mustang, camaro, challenger and charger are a breath of fresh air in the modern world, certainly compared to the drab BMW earlier in this post..

Sorry 300bhp, even Americans will tell you the pt cruiser is crap. This one is a bit more interesting though


The prowler was a unique design


Although never officially credited its believed Chip Foose did the initial sketches, they were based on Hemisfear that he drew whilst studying art at college. Hemisfear was later built in a limited production run

[tyranical]

I'm surprised this hasn't been mentioned tbh: