Original Modern Designs
Discussion
300bhp/ton said:
marcosgt said:
300bhp/ton said:
That is 100% b
ks and you know it if you were to step back and look a bit.
1. The Mustang has been in continual production since its creation, thus making no more a recreation than a MKVI Golf GTI is. And making this current modern FULLY modern.
2. It looks like a Mustang, it DOESN'T look like a 1960's one, hugely different. Sure they could have just made a blob of a car and stuck a Mustang badge on... but they didn't.
Nope - You're talking bks and you know it if you were to step back and look a bit.1. The Mustang has been in continual production since its creation, thus making no more a recreation than a MKVI Golf GTI is. And making this current modern FULLY modern.
2. It looks like a Mustang, it DOESN'T look like a 1960's one, hugely different. Sure they could have just made a blob of a car and stuck a Mustang badge on... but they didn't.
ks, but clearly DON'T know it... Like the GT, it's just a modern reinterpretation of an old design... 
Recreation or reinterpretation??? They ain't exactly the same thing.
marcosgt said:
Just because something's been in constant production doesn't make the latest version 'original', especially when it so blatantly references and earlier version.
OK then, how does it not?And to take it further, what else in recent years even looks 5% similar? I'd say it's pretty original on that basis alone.
As said before "it looks like a Mustang", not any particular one, but the current modern one, it just looks like a Mustang and easily ID'd as such. It doesn't look any more 1960's than a BMW Z4M does.
marcosgt said:
Same holds true of the Mini - Sure it's got little to do with the original design (VW Beetle too), but it draws ALL its design cues from the original car (You could make a strong case the Ferrari 360 is in the same camp). Not only not original but blatantly derivative to the point of pastiche!
If you are going to be that picky, then there has not been an original car since circa 1920. The basic shape has not really changed at all.marcosgt said:
As you say, the Corvette has been in continual development and it's pretty much always been a derivation of the same design - Short trunk, long hood, pointy at the front... No problem with that, but it's not original this time anymore than it was last time or the time before that!
Just eh? really. That makes no real sense.And again - show me anything that is even close to the Vette visually or in design. I can think of nothing.
marcosgt said:
300bhp/tonne said:
marcosgt said:
PT Cruiser - a 40s hotrod lookalike
Try Google mate, you might be surprised. Partly in the fact that that isn't the concenus and the fact that's 40's hot rods look nothing like the PT Cruiser.
If you can't see major similarities with whatever that is, you're being pedantic, obtuse or need a trip to the opticians...
And just because the PT draws on some design cues from the past hardly means the entire finished article can't be original.
Again - show me anything in recent production that is truly similar?
marcosgt said:
300Bhp/Tonne said:
-sadly most on here hate it because it's American
If you're seriously suggesting that's the only reason to hate it, it doesn't says a lot for the state of American cars...
No, but it says a lot for the ignorance of your average Brit/PH'er
Come on now, as an owner of two oddball cars, you should be well aware PH forum opinion and folk lore have little bearing on how good the cars can actually be and how original.
But all the Brits who've suffered one are clearly wrong? If you're seriously suggesting that's the only reason to hate it, it doesn't says a lot for the state of American cars...
No, but it says a lot for the ignorance of your average Brit/PH'er
Come on now, as an owner of two oddball cars, you should be well aware PH forum opinion and folk lore have little bearing on how good the cars can actually be and how original.
interweb said:
The four-spoke steering wheel embodies a hint of heritage flair with its generous size, although we appreciate the modern convenience of height adjustment. General tactile feel is quite good, with rich textures and premium-feel materials in the interior.
The four-spoke steering wheel embodies a hint of heritage flair with its generous size, although we appreciate the modern convenience of height adjustment. General tactile feel is quite good, with rich textures and premium-feel materials in the interior.
This sort of opinion is common with reviews of the PT Cruiser..... which sort of goes against your blanket claim.The four-spoke steering wheel embodies a hint of heritage flair with its generous size, although we appreciate the modern convenience of height adjustment. General tactile feel is quite good, with rich textures and premium-feel materials in the interior.
These reviews also seem to counter some of the claims too:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k2jc0Ljq1fM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E95cW8kQBRQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IzyzLL3THCI
marcosgt said:
I must admit I kind of like the PT's quirky looks (although it's not original), but I know it's a foul car based on using one for a week, not PH 'knowledge'...
But what were you comparing it too?marcosgt said:
On Jeeps, I'll give you the orignal was original (which makes the claims about the Land Rover so odd - Thanks for the info on that, btw), but your example of an "Original Modern Design" was just another small 4WD, sorry...
M.
Read this bit twice, still not sure what you mean by the last bit. M.
inkiboo said:
I know 300 loves his American cars but I'm sorry, the PT Cruiser is utterly indefensible.
Which do you like more, the horrific interior or the awful handling? Or is it that it looks like an abortion? I know, so many choices.
Amazing.
+1 my god mother brought one from new awful thing really awful she always regretted it and everyone just laughed at it to be honest. Interior quality my god it was just fWhich do you like more, the horrific interior or the awful handling? Or is it that it looks like an abortion? I know, so many choices.
Amazing.
king awful I could have done better myself with some the insert of a cadbury milk tray and a hack saw. The 2.4 engine was crap used loads of petrol and yet despite this it was st slow. Handling was again just utter crap rolled around like an old 4x4 in the corners just comical really and that is before we get to thing's like the leather being the worst quality I have ever seen in a car oh yeah and it was one of the ugliest car's ever made imo. It certainly was original and I hope it remains original and no one does something similar ever again what a utter mess would rate very high in a list of cars I would never want to own.
300bhp/ton said:
doodlebug said:
RedWhiteMonkey said:
300bhp/ton said:
te. Not quite as ste as the convertible and seriously, thanks for not posting a picture of that abortion!What is some of you guys problem?
Harry Flashman said:
Tuscan is a great call, actually - well and truly in the spirit of the thread.
I'd love one, if I could get an LS V8 into one instead of the Speed 6...
You can do that easily but why bother? An upgraded 4.5 Speed Six (with 100k mile warranty!) keeps it nice and original and makes them even faster and even more mental.I'd love one, if I could get an LS V8 into one instead of the Speed 6...
Harry Flashman said:
300bhp/ton said:
doodlebug said:
RedWhiteMonkey said:
300bhp/ton said:
I just don't get your love for these things. Obviously looks are subjective but having been a passenger in one of these and also after driving one I just don't get it. The ride was fairly awful and the quality of the interior reminded me of chinese takeaway containers. Nasty things in my opinion.te. Not quite as ste as the convertible and seriously, thanks for not posting a picture of that abortion!What is some of you guys problem?
tyranical said:
I'm surprised this hasn't been mentioned tbh:
I agree, the general shape of the car as well as some of the details. The "rocket ship" door handles and the triangular exhausts are nice touches design wise.I still think they look fresh, when did they come out? 2005 maybe?
The latest Mondeo I think was a bold design from Ford.
The Juke, love it or hate it, someone actually sat down and styled it. How much easier would it have been for Nissan to make another bland boxy crossover.
The X6 SUV styled on dakar racers, again a bold move love it or hate it.
I liked the first Z4 too. That was a stylish design, very clear and conceptual. Almost as good as the TT which I think is a great piece of automotive design being art.
The Juke, love it or hate it, someone actually sat down and styled it. How much easier would it have been for Nissan to make another bland boxy crossover.
The X6 SUV styled on dakar racers, again a bold move love it or hate it.
I liked the first Z4 too. That was a stylish design, very clear and conceptual. Almost as good as the TT which I think is a great piece of automotive design being art.
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