RE: Noble M600 - First Delivery Imminent
Discussion
barefoot said:
Daisy will be along to tell you how poor the Maclaren is as per norm unless she can hold herself back!
Well I see you obviously can't refrain from making more pathetic jibes at me. 
As to your questions, I could answer them as I have tried to do in the past, but previous experience has taught me that you'll only ignore what I say if it doesn't suit your cause, or use it as ammunition against the car. Quite why you're on such a crusade against it, I don't know, but it's really beginning to look rather bizarre. As to you constantly trying to bait me, it's becoming rather tiresome. I presume it's because I've dared to say that I like the M600 and didn't choose to buy your latest fantasy car? If it's because, unlike you, I'm actually in a position to choose between them and base my opinions on first hand experience of them (and other options) then I pity you, but it really isn't my fault that you didn't do better at school.
BTW I've never said anything about baby buggies.
Daisy
That is the problem you dont answer them you go around the houses as usual and will not have a word said against the car or your friend Peter the MD. When asked re only selling 12 cars a year you said you did not know why it was such a small number. You baited me on this topic re "don't encourage him" then you partner Phil posts a snide remark it is you both that get personal. Please can we move on and only post about the car in question if I post something about the car you do not agree with then fair enough but if you do not want to interact with my posts don't reply ignore them it is not hard to do you know and I will do the same to any of yours can'tbe fairer than that surely?. Please please ignore anything I say about the M600 in future lets get on with partaking in the forums in the correct way and agree to ignore each others posts from now on.
That is the problem you dont answer them you go around the houses as usual and will not have a word said against the car or your friend Peter the MD. When asked re only selling 12 cars a year you said you did not know why it was such a small number. You baited me on this topic re "don't encourage him" then you partner Phil posts a snide remark it is you both that get personal. Please can we move on and only post about the car in question if I post something about the car you do not agree with then fair enough but if you do not want to interact with my posts don't reply ignore them it is not hard to do you know and I will do the same to any of yours can'tbe fairer than that surely?. Please please ignore anything I say about the M600 in future lets get on with partaking in the forums in the correct way and agree to ignore each others posts from now on.
papercup said:
adycav said:
Were I to become super rich overnight Noble is the first place that I would go to with a big bag of money. I think that these are great.
+1I love this car, thank god someone has the balls to make a proper bonkers drivers car, this may be one of the last real drivers cars anyone ever makes
MP4-12C and pretty much every single other super car out there continues to take away 'THE driving experience'. Yes the Mc, 458 etc are stupidly quick but so what, I do like these cars (but would never have a Mc because it's simply boring to look at) but I don't really really want one like I do an M600.
Tis a beasty....
just read post about m600 mirror falling off if you had been stood at the chicane you would have seen a few got it wrong on the way out and when noble clipped the bales all the straw that went in the air looked like he had gone through some pheasants [all of us stood there thought there would be a load of damage]not just a mirror hanging off!he looked to be really trying we went over and had a chat with peter later who was driving he confessed to taking a bit too much apex and hitting the bales his excuse was the bales were stuck out then showed me the mirrors are designed to release on impacts there was no damage to the mirror but the door was slightly bruised fair play to him he kept his foot in even with the mirror flapping about the car looked really quick shame he wasent timed it looked one of the quickest cars there
I absolutely love the look of this and would have it over any of the other supercars but looks like I may be in the minority. I would never own a Mclaren as I wouldn't want to guild the pockets of Ron Dennis, from speaking to people who have direct contact with him, the blokes a total ass hole
Edited by tommyhilla on Monday 18th July 19:53
As an aside i notice in the latest evo mag that mclaren are already on with some changes with their car since its poorish reviews. One of the benefits of dealing with a major player nothing worse than helping with a cars development as a private buyer i should know having one of the first speed six cerberas and Tucsan. This is only to be expected with a company that has only 15 employees. Its to be hoped any new owners are fully aware of this it cannot be expected of such a small company to have spent the time and money as the likes of mclaren and ferrari will have done on testing and developing their cars.
I can sort of admire the car for what it is, but when you consider the price and the looks (which would have looked dated in 1992) it really doesn't cut it for me.
Yes it's a 'pure' supercar because it doesn't have all the traction control systems and a double clutch gearbox, but let's not kid ourselves, it's only pure because they don't have the technology and know how to compete with Ferrari/McLaren/etc. I hope for their sake there are enough rich people who will be willing to pay so much more for so much less.
Yes it's a 'pure' supercar because it doesn't have all the traction control systems and a double clutch gearbox, but let's not kid ourselves, it's only pure because they don't have the technology and know how to compete with Ferrari/McLaren/etc. I hope for their sake there are enough rich people who will be willing to pay so much more for so much less.
I hear a lot of people saying they want the old hardcore driving experience and this is why this is a fantastic car etc. Well there are plenty of other cars for that all of them for less money. In fact I would imagine it's cheaper to create a car without modern electronics etc. not more expensive. Yes there is something to be said for the visceral experience every now and again but I think a proper muscle car could handle that for me. At the end of the day I am the opposite. I want a car to be fast yet offer accessible performance and not wrap me around a tree or make driving on a slightly moist road a test of courage. I want it to be easy to brake, go where I point it and accelerate quickly but without drama when I punch the accelerator. For those limited time when I'd want to goof around or have a more raw experience I want a button that turns all that stuff off. I think it's very, very hard to make a car that anyone can go fast in yet reward drivers with additional skill level as well. I think most modern super cars do this the Vette, the Lambos,The McLaren, the SLS so saying that this car is better because it is raw is not an argument that wins for me I'd much rather have a better all arounder. I am not a race car driver just someone who like and interesting drive when conditions permit. To me this car is far too narrowly focused in it's approach and even then there are other monster choices that meet those needs better. I think the most varied and unique cars out there the better but it is far to limited and pricey.
Having seen the M600 in the flesh and been passed by it at high speed along the hanger straight at Silverstone I can tell you it is EPIC !!!! The noise is worth 200k on it's own !!!! Hand built drivers car , the best there is at the moment !!! If you have ever driven a M12 you will know just how good the M600 is and when jurno's like Chris Harris start compareing it to the legendary F40 you know it is a special car .
barefoot said:
As an aside i notice in the latest evo mag that mclaren are already on with some changes with their car since its poorish reviews. One of the benefits of dealing with a major player nothing worse than helping with a cars development as a private buyer i should know having one of the first speed six cerberas and Tucsan. This is only to be expected with a company that has only 15 employees. Its to be hoped any new owners are fully aware of this it cannot be expected of such a small company to have spent the time and money as the likes of mclaren and ferrari will have done on testing and developing their cars.
Change the record for christ sake! Anyone who buys the Noble will be aware they are buying a low production hand built car, if you search just on this forum you will find issues with Koenigseggs and Zondas, and pop into your local Ford dealer and see how many new cars they are fixing.I really hope Noble succeeds, I for one was disappointed to see them steer away from the affordable market and at 225k the M600 is a hard car to justify....BUT (and it's a big one) they have managed to create a brutally fast, unique and well built supercar and with the way all cars are being sanitised these days I would love to be one of the lucky few owners.
I'm gonna say that I don't doubt it's a supremely capable car but, and it's a big but, how many people who are saluting the project, dip into their pockets and hand over £220k?
The car needs a USP to make the genuine potential buyers hand over the money, rather than just impressing 'petrol heads' on internet forums and I just can't see it.
The car needs a USP to make the genuine potential buyers hand over the money, rather than just impressing 'petrol heads' on internet forums and I just can't see it.
Fire99 said:
I'm gonna say that I don't doubt it's a supremely capable car but, and it's a big but, how many people who are saluting the project, dip into their pockets and hand over £220k?
The car needs a USP to make the genuine potential buyers hand over the money, rather than just impressing 'petrol heads' on internet forums and I just can't see it.
It has one! and it is a biggie, a proper old fashioned chassis that doesn't need electronic aids to cover up all its issues and problems. It will go where you point it, and not tie itself in knots.The car needs a USP to make the genuine potential buyers hand over the money, rather than just impressing 'petrol heads' on internet forums and I just can't see it.
With regard to Barefoots comment about major players, check out the owner of Noble, I think he is major enough for most people.
Martin Brundle got to drive one at the Goodwood FOS
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wvhezM2l8-Y&fea...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wvhezM2l8-Y&fea...
Bummer that they chose CF and boosted the price to 225 or so. It relegates it to a rich mans track car. Until he whacks it because it doesn't have any electronic nannies. Pricing it in the context of F-cars and Lambo's (to name a few) is just a bad plan. They will surely sell 12-15 cars per year but so what? I think I speak for a lot of people who count on Noble to build something close to the average man's supercar. Now they are building the rich man's legacy toy. At this price, there must either be some new/brilliant design breakthrough or the car needs to be loaded with the latest driver assisting gizmos. Heck, a Corvette is loaded with all of those and carbon brakes for well under 100.
For those who think that a properly designed chassis can make up for all of the electronics in proper supercars, just ask the F1 folks for some guidance.
Oh, and one more thing. Can someone who is experienced in the design and build quality of a Pagani and Noble chime in? I heard the two being compared...
For those who think that a properly designed chassis can make up for all of the electronics in proper supercars, just ask the F1 folks for some guidance.
Oh, and one more thing. Can someone who is experienced in the design and build quality of a Pagani and Noble chime in? I heard the two being compared...
Twincam16 said:
The Cholmondeley track is very narrow in places, especially around the chicane just before Vicarage. I wouldn't be surprised if Boutwood was 'going for it' and clipped one of the bales. It's quite a challenge to drive quickly round that track. I was talking to a guy with a Stratos who said that unlike Goodwood, you can't really see 'through' any of the corners - every straight seems to involve flooring it at a straw bale, which you brake for, then judge the corner as and when it arrives.
I can imagine a Noble M600 would be a right handful round there.
If he knocked it off whilst "going for it" then I doff my cap to him.I can imagine a Noble M600 would be a right handful round there.
This is the Noble that we took to France didn't miss a beat what a car i the power and toque is just incredible. One of the most complete cars i have ever seen. Made the LP560 look tame and with a real lack of torque. 225k does seem a little offensive but this is the closest your get to the complete drivers car.
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