RE: Is A Diesel M Car On The Way?

[Aizle]

Zod said:

Aizle said:

It seems to be listed for the F10 and F11 (I assume this is the estate?).

Goodbye petrol M car

The petrol M car comes out this autumn.

I know that one is on it's way out, was questioning if this is a sight to the future for other BMW Ms like a 6 or a 3/4 series or whatever they will call it.

I'm all for downsizing petrol engines and turbos.

[Dracoro]

SD1992 said:

Dracoro said:

Do you *really* think this will do 40mpg. I would say it will struggle to get over 30mpg, probably closer to the 25mpg you mentioned. The M5 will struggle to get late teens driven the same way.

Don't get me wrong, I'm sure it will be a decent car and certainly more economical than an M5 but it won't get 40mpg all day long.

Surely it would get pretty good figures sitting at 70 on the motorway? I would imagine it would be at tickover at that speed. Doesn't seem unrealistic to me, buy obviously when the lead foot comes out the figures will plummet.

I can get 40 and 3mpg sitting at 70 all day in my S2000 and Omega. Would I ever claim them to be 40/35mpg cars, of course not. In typical mixed driving 28 and 25 respectively. I suspect he M5550d will get late 20s (don't get me wrong, that's good mpg for a 395bhp car!).

What do people average in the 535d?

[paulmon]

BMW need 4WD non SUV in their model range because they are losing a lot of sales because of its absence. The last two poor winters have seen a lot of BMW's parked on drives for days/weeks whilst their FWD/AWD competitors have been largely unaffected. I know this because the first one my M3 didnt move for the best part of 3 weeks and last year my Z4 was the same.

Sure you can buy winter tyres/wheels but why go through the expense and the hassle when you can go and buy "insert non RWD brand here".

[IanO]

BMW should bring Alpina in-house (if it isn't already) and have M division cars only ever be petrol powered, and Alpina cars only be performance diesel. As a customer you can choose which suits you, it doesn't dilute either sub-brand. Reading the reviews the D3 is a great car, but you could never accuse it of detracting from M3 sales.

[E30M3SE]

Riggers said:

E30M3SE said:

E21_Ross said:

probably means M sport or something.....

When has a ///M car ever been called a Mxxxxx..................

Like I said in the article, it probably won't be a full-house M car, but BMW don't normally specify M Sport in that way. 550d M Sport, yes. M550d? Not seen anything like that since M635CSi...

You got me on that one , although in the US/NA it was officially known as the M6.

Edited by E30M3SE on Tuesday 9th August 12:09

[MKR]

Sounds interesting to me.

Although, I'd say there's a risk of diluting the brand a little - when they win caravan towing vehicle of the century!

[soxboy]

Riggers said:

E30M3SE said:

E21_Ross said:

probably means M sport or something.....

When has a ///M car ever been called a Mxxxxx..................

Like I said in the article, it probably won't be a full-house M car, but BMW don't normally specify M Sport in that way. 550d M Sport, yes. M550d? Not seen anything like that since M635CSi...

The M635CSi was a proper M car with the 24v engine, however at the same time in the 1980s there was also the M535i which had the standard 3.5 12v engine but a few performance additions (LSD, dogleg box IIRC). This may be more like the latter.

[J B L]

paulmon said:

BMW need 4WD non SUV in their model range because they are losing a lot of sales because of its absence. The last two poor winters have seen a lot of BMW's parked on drives for days/weeks whilst their FWD/AWD competitors have been largely unaffected. I know this because the first one my M3 didnt move for the best part of 3 weeks and last year my Z4 was the same.

Sure you can buy winter tyres/wheels but why go through the expense and the hassle when you can go and buy "insert non RWD brand here".

I've always wondered why they are not selling the "x" versions in the UK (320xd, 530xd etc...). See them quite a lot in Germany and Switzerland.

[Antj]

Why not?????

Alpina Proved with the D3 in the uk and the previous D10 ( the forgotten Alpina) in europe that you can have an amazing chassis with an amzing derv lump.

If it happens i would expect Alpina are already working on it for BMW. Alpina were the guys who developed the 535d engine after BMW gave up on it

[kiwifraser]

Jakg said:

Some people would love an M5 as a daily driver, but do 20+k a year so just can't justify a 25 MPG car.

Imagine all the focus on handling & performance in a car that could do 40+ MPG, or have 800+ miles range - that would be the ultimate daily driver (for me, at least).

Bring it on...

Based on how well the new 520d handled when given a 700 mile spanking recently, I'd buy one of these.

[Jakg]

Dracoro said:

Do you *really* think this will do 40mpg. I would say it will struggle to get over 30mpg, probably closer to the 25mpg you mentioned. The M5 will struggle to get late teens driven the same way.

Don't get me wrong, I'm sure it will be a decent car and certainly more economical than an M5 but it won't get 40mpg all day long. To drive in a way that gets good mpg, you'd not be using much of that 395bhp (in which case, just get a 530d and get another 10 mpg. Use the 395bhp as it is intended and you'll never get 40mpg.

Edited by Dracoro on Tuesday 9th August 11:55

I don't think it will do 40 MPG whilst unleashing 400 BHP - no car will. However, for "normal driving" I think it'll deliver 40+ MPG, but when you want it will also deliver near enough 400 BHP - which for me would be a brilliant mix.

I would have no problem enduring 20 MPG if enjoying an M5 500 horses - but I couldn't justify 25 MPG cruising to work and not using that power.

I can't justify a petrol with the mileage I do - but that doesn't mean I don't want a focused sports-saloon.

[Dracoro]

Jakg said:

Dracoro said:

Do you *really* think this will do 40mpg. I would say it will struggle to get over 30mpg, probably closer to the 25mpg you mentioned. The M5 will struggle to get late teens driven the same way.

Don't get me wrong, I'm sure it will be a decent car and certainly more economical than an M5 but it won't get 40mpg all day long. To drive in a way that gets good mpg, you'd not be using much of that 395bhp (in which case, just get a 530d and get another 10 mpg. Use the 395bhp as it is intended and you'll never get 40mpg.

Edited by Dracoro on Tuesday 9th August 11:55

I don't think it will do 40 MPG whilst unleashing 400 BHP - no car will. However, for "normal driving" I think it'll deliver 40+ MPG, but when you want it will also deliver near enough 400 BHP - which for me would be a brilliant mix.

I would have no problem enduring 20 MPG if enjoying an M5 500 horses - but I couldn't justify 25 MPG cruising to work and not using that power.

I can't justify a petrol with the mileage I do - but that doesn't mean I don't want a focused sports-saloon.

From threads I've read here, those with 530d and 535d they are getting low to mid 30s. Add another 100bhp and I doubt it will be better than those!!

[acer12]

Escort Si-130 said:

BMW should be shot

How would one shoot a company?

Should they shoot all their shareholders/employees or perhaps shot at their building?

[P4ROT]

scubadude said:

poop off a buttered shovel

I don't feel like lunch anymore lol

[SD1992]

Dracoro said:

From threads I've read here, those with 530d and 535d they are getting low to mid 30s. Add another 100bhp and I doubt it will be better than those!!

It all depends on driving style. We frequently get 45+ mpg out of our A4 3.0 TDI Quattro with normal driving.

[adz13091982]

4wd, 400bhp, 30+MPG and shed loads of torque - what's not to like?

[bakerstreet]

paulmon said:

BMW need 4WD non SUV in their model range because they are losing a lot of sales because of its absence. The last two poor winters have seen a lot of BMW's parked on drives for days/weeks whilst their FWD/AWD competitors have been largely unaffected. I know this because the first one my M3 didnt move for the best part of 3 weeks and last year my Z4 was the same.

Sure you can buy winter tyres/wheels but why go through the expense and the hassle when you can go and buy "insert non RWD brand here".

I'm afraid that BMW don't really care about the occasionaly freak snow in this country.

Their reasoning behind 4x4 in the road cars is the certain areas of the amercian and canadian market where snow is a bit more regular and hardcore!

I think a Diesel M car is going to happen eventually and I would happliy buy one

[filski666]

Is nothing sacred anymore?

I feel the need to protest, maybe I will go smash some st up, get myself a new telly, that should get my point across

[Dagnut]

As long as they aren't replacing petrol cars I don't see what the problem is.

[DeadMeat_UK]

Escort Si-130 said:

BMW should be shot

Agreed - the bds. Who do they think they are giving you more choice when you decide to trade in your Escort.