RE: All-New Porsche 911 Breaks Cover
Discussion
Looks pretty good. It won't cause as much of a negative reaction as when the original orange-indicator 996 appeared to replace the 993 Carrera.
My only criticism is that the new Porsches - new Cayenne, Panamera and now this, the 911 / 991 - all have far too much wording written across the back. I have a friend with a 997 Black edition, and on the back it reads "911". This one appears to have P O R S C H E 911 Carrera S written on the back. This is too much wording by far. I thought that Mercedes were bad enough by pointless adding 4Matic to the back of the ML and GL, so on the diesel models the CDI has to move over to the left side of the bootlid. It's sloppy. BMW are guilty too, with their migrating M badge - on the right hand side of the Z3M, then to the left side for the Z4M, now back to the right for the 1M. Manufacturers need to pick a strategy and stick with it, unless there is a particularly good reason. It's like Ford in the late 80s with things like Ford Granada Scorpio 2.9i Cosworth Ghia X (this is an exagerration but not that far from what was written on the car).
My only criticism is that the new Porsches - new Cayenne, Panamera and now this, the 911 / 991 - all have far too much wording written across the back. I have a friend with a 997 Black edition, and on the back it reads "911". This one appears to have P O R S C H E 911 Carrera S written on the back. This is too much wording by far. I thought that Mercedes were bad enough by pointless adding 4Matic to the back of the ML and GL, so on the diesel models the CDI has to move over to the left side of the bootlid. It's sloppy. BMW are guilty too, with their migrating M badge - on the right hand side of the Z3M, then to the left side for the Z4M, now back to the right for the 1M. Manufacturers need to pick a strategy and stick with it, unless there is a particularly good reason. It's like Ford in the late 80s with things like Ford Granada Scorpio 2.9i Cosworth Ghia X (this is an exagerration but not that far from what was written on the car).
e and desperately want one before I shuffle off.jackal said:
I agree with much of what you say but basically, beyond the very small anorak microcosm of internet forums, this is what people want. To me, a boxster or a basic 997 is just about the plainest dullest performance car on sale today... order it in metallic grey or dark blue as just about everyone does round my way and its even more generic and unexciting. Most people in life sit in the middle, live in the middle, are uncomfortable outside of the middle and a grey boxster that feels like every other german prestige car, is a doddle to drive, light to the touch and blends in with the crowd is exactly what they want.
Old Porsches, new Ferraris.
+1Old Porsches, new Ferraris.
Pugsey said:
Interesting take and I can, sort of, see what you mean. However, anyone who's driven any current Porsche be it Boxster, 997S, GT3, whatever and I mean DRIVEN will wonder what on earth you're on matey "feels like every other German prestige car"??????
Well my daily hack is a mk1 Octavia vRS (with revo remap) and a while ago I had the chance to give my mates 2.5 Boxter some grief..................Slow, dull, safe, boring i'm afarid. But then I prefer my sportscars a little more hirsute.
Bits may well drop off my 450se wedge from time to time but you've gotta spend a lotta cash before you beat the sound of a cammy small block V8 with open pipes..............
I suppose it depends on what you're comparing them to - IME they both have accurate but slightly over-assisted controls, well damped but rather firm suspension and decent amounts of shove. Yes, Porsche do all of those things better than BMW, and yes their actual handling is utterly different, but that's not something you'd really find out around town. Above all, they both feel very... German (yes I know that sounds silly, but I can't think of a better way to put it).
If you stuck my wife in an M3 then a 911, I'm sure she would see more similarities than differences.
If you stuck my wife in an M3 then a 911, I'm sure she would see more similarities than differences.
Pugsey said:
kambites said:
Mermaid said:
I am confident they will have a GT3, essential for their sporting image.
It would be astonishing if there wasn't one. 
Can't wait for the gt3, slightly worried it might be missing that special touch that lifted it above other models in the range.
I really like it.
Looking forward to seeing it in black and finding out a little more about the technical spec's, mass in particular.
I'll also be interested to know and subsequently find out how it feels with its centre of gravity further forward - lower (not low) polar MoI.
The comments of those who haven't driven/owned 911's are telling.
Looking forward to seeing it in black and finding out a little more about the technical spec's, mass in particular.
I'll also be interested to know and subsequently find out how it feels with its centre of gravity further forward - lower (not low) polar MoI.
The comments of those who haven't driven/owned 911's are telling.
drcarrera said:
steve singh said:
Get rid of that stupid writing/logo on the back and it looks quite nice.
5 minutes with a length of cotton and it should be job done! 
JMF894 said:
Well my daily hack is a mk1 Octavia vRS (with revo remap) and a while ago I had the chance to give my mates 2.5 Boxter some grief..................
Slow, dull, safe, boring i'm afarid. But then I prefer my sportscars a little more hirsute.
Bits may well drop off my 450se wedge from time to time but you've gotta spend a lotta cash before you beat the sound of a cammy small block V8 with open pipes..............
I don't think a boxster is dull, safe and broring - but yes it is closer to a Brazilian than being hirsute Slow, dull, safe, boring i'm afarid. But then I prefer my sportscars a little more hirsute.
Bits may well drop off my 450se wedge from time to time but you've gotta spend a lotta cash before you beat the sound of a cammy small block V8 with open pipes..............
My verdict:
Exterior: Is pleasing to the eye and it keeps the Porsche D.N.A so general public will always recognise it as such, it doesn’t bring any flare to the table but then that’s not what Porsche are about. I like the design but I could never love it, just doesn’t excite me enough personally. The thing is Porsche can do that, the Carrera GT was a fantastic looking car, just wish some of that flare was cycled down into this. The rear lights also remind me of the clusters of the Renault Laguna Coupe, a lovely looking car from the rear.
Interior: Too business like. The quality will be fantastic but it doesn’t sit right for what is a sports car. It works well & looks great in the Panamera (best Porsche interior of the lot) but this just seems to suggest ‘business man express’ to me. It is very Germanic and cold. It needs that injection of charisma, so when you get in it you know you are in something special.
There is no doubt it will drive fantastic and retain Porsche’s crown for making the best sports car on the market BUT, there are many buyers out there who will want a bit of flare from their sports car and I worry that Porsche are effectively limiting their market to a more mature audience because of that fact.
Exterior: Is pleasing to the eye and it keeps the Porsche D.N.A so general public will always recognise it as such, it doesn’t bring any flare to the table but then that’s not what Porsche are about. I like the design but I could never love it, just doesn’t excite me enough personally. The thing is Porsche can do that, the Carrera GT was a fantastic looking car, just wish some of that flare was cycled down into this. The rear lights also remind me of the clusters of the Renault Laguna Coupe, a lovely looking car from the rear.
Interior: Too business like. The quality will be fantastic but it doesn’t sit right for what is a sports car. It works well & looks great in the Panamera (best Porsche interior of the lot) but this just seems to suggest ‘business man express’ to me. It is very Germanic and cold. It needs that injection of charisma, so when you get in it you know you are in something special.
There is no doubt it will drive fantastic and retain Porsche’s crown for making the best sports car on the market BUT, there are many buyers out there who will want a bit of flare from their sports car and I worry that Porsche are effectively limiting their market to a more mature audience because of that fact.
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