RE: All-New Porsche 911 Breaks Cover
Discussion
OlberJ said:
Hmmm, well apart from the rear lights, i don't think it looks that much like the Aston :P
To be fair, Aston have been rehashing the same design for seventeen years, Porsche have been doing it for nearly fifty. Aston also have the advantage of having started with one of the prettiest designs in the world at the time of its inception; the original 911 was a pretty enough thing, but it was hardly class leading in terms of looks.
Surely flair would be better? I'd rather leave noisy fire hazards to the likes of 'seggs and F-cars and so on... 
MrCarCoach said:
My verdict:
Exterior: Is pleasing to the eye and it keeps the Porsche D.N.A so general public will always recognise it as such, it doesn't bring any flare to the table but then that's not what Porsche are about. I like the design but I could never love it, just doesn't excite me enough personally. The thing is Porsche can do that, the Carrera GT was a fantastic looking car, just wish some of that flare was cycled down into this. The rear lights also remind me of the clusters of the Renault Laguna Coupe, a lovely looking car from the rear.
Interior: Too business like. The quality will be fantastic but it doesn't sit right for what is a sports car. It works well & looks great in the Panamera (best Porsche interior of the lot) but this just seems to suggest "business man express" to me. It is very Germanic and cold. It needs that injection of charisma, so when you get in it you know you are in something special.
There is no doubt it will drive fantastic and retain Porsche's crown for making the best sports car on the market BUT, there are many buyers out there who will want a bit of flare from their sports car and I worry that Porsche are effectively limiting their market to a more mature audience because of that fact.
Exterior: Is pleasing to the eye and it keeps the Porsche D.N.A so general public will always recognise it as such, it doesn't bring any flare to the table but then that's not what Porsche are about. I like the design but I could never love it, just doesn't excite me enough personally. The thing is Porsche can do that, the Carrera GT was a fantastic looking car, just wish some of that flare was cycled down into this. The rear lights also remind me of the clusters of the Renault Laguna Coupe, a lovely looking car from the rear.
Interior: Too business like. The quality will be fantastic but it doesn't sit right for what is a sports car. It works well & looks great in the Panamera (best Porsche interior of the lot) but this just seems to suggest "business man express" to me. It is very Germanic and cold. It needs that injection of charisma, so when you get in it you know you are in something special.
There is no doubt it will drive fantastic and retain Porsche's crown for making the best sports car on the market BUT, there are many buyers out there who will want a bit of flare from their sports car and I worry that Porsche are effectively limiting their market to a more mature audience because of that fact.
Edited by Acquah on Thursday 18th August 20:19
Pugsey said:
nickfrog said:
kambites said:
Anyone else get the feeling that the 911 is slowly evolving into a mid-engined car? 
How long before they fully integrate the gearbox entirely into the sump so the engine can sit directly on the rear axle line?
Agreed, give it 30 years or so and it will be mid-engine !How long before they fully integrate the gearbox entirely into the sump so the engine can sit directly on the rear axle line?
Mind you they've already got a far superior - mid engined - chassis in the range have they not. Only 'protecting' the 911 (by restricting the power allowed in other models) has prevented that 'lesser' Porsche from becoming THE model in the Porsche line up.
s3fella said:
I like it, but I want to see the old style whale tails back. Even if they are pop up ones!
I have to say, I thought the duck-tail on the sports classic looked s
t hot and really hope they introduce this as an option on this model.As for restricting the audience to one that is more mature
1. It's mostly about the drive of the thing
2. Should keep the cost of insurance lower than compatible cars due to (hopefully) less being smashed up BT less mature people
When I first saw it I wasn't sure. But now I get it. What they have done is quite cleverly reduce the visual impact of the big rear overhang, without actually reducing it. It seems to be a function of deeper sides, smaller windows and bigger wheels.
It addresses the slightly odd side profile of the 997 car which was always its least flattering angle (It is noticeable that OPCs rarely show side profile shots, presumably for this reason).
I suspect that in the metal the car will look superb. I intend to turn my Letter of Interest into a firm order as soon as the specs are anounced.
A 911 will always be a 911, but does this baby really rock my boat? Would a 997 GenI look old compared to this? Certainly not! So why buy a new one? Maybe because of a hew HP more? Maybe because you can do the Nordschleife in 5 sec. less if your name is Walter Roehrl? I believe Porsche will need to give customers more reasons to come back than the photos reveal. Otherwise this car will not sell in the quantities as his successful predecessors 997 and 996.
Pugsey said:
Agreed.
Mind you they've already got a far superior - mid engined - chassis in the range have they not. Only 'protecting' the 911 (by restricting the power allowed in other models) has prevented that 'lesser' Porsche from becoming THE model in the Porsche line up.
It will get even more complicated for the "consumer" if and when Porsche decide to launch a mid-engine car to compete against the 458 or against the Macca. Surely they have the engine already (V8)and possibly the chassis (918)... As a Company, they are pretty clever it has to be said. I just wished they hadn't waisted 13 years getting rid of the bl00dy IMS...Mind you they've already got a far superior - mid engined - chassis in the range have they not. Only 'protecting' the 911 (by restricting the power allowed in other models) has prevented that 'lesser' Porsche from becoming THE model in the Porsche line up.
HeMightBeBanned said:
Looks great. Simple, uncluttered, elegant. Good effort.
Cue all the predictable howls of protest that it looks like... a Porsche 911. Erm, what do you expect?
Erm...progress.Cue all the predictable howls of protest that it looks like... a Porsche 911. Erm, what do you expect?
But no doubt they will release a stickered up GT3 RS with red rims and a monster wing at some point...for the 'purist' of course.
SR06 said:
HeMightBeBanned said:
Looks great. Simple, uncluttered, elegant. Good effort.
Cue all the predictable howls of protest that it looks like... a Porsche 911. Erm, what do you expect?
Erm...progress.Cue all the predictable howls of protest that it looks like... a Porsche 911. Erm, what do you expect?
The 911 has always been and always will be about evolution rather than revolution.
Davey S2 said:
SR06 said:
HeMightBeBanned said:
Looks great. Simple, uncluttered, elegant. Good effort.
Cue all the predictable howls of protest that it looks like... a Porsche 911. Erm, what do you expect?
Erm...progress.Cue all the predictable howls of protest that it looks like... a Porsche 911. Erm, what do you expect?
The 911 has always been and always will be about evolution rather than revolution.
A 911 will always (hopefully) look like a 911 and that's the point that some people don't seem to understand.
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