RE: All-New Porsche 911 Breaks Cover
Discussion
nickfrog said:
Wills2 said:
nickfrog said:
I just wished they hadn't waisted 13 years getting rid of the bl00dy IMS...
10 years, the gen2's don't have an IMS. 
So 10 years.
Edit: Ah! I get it, you drive a Boxster!
Edited by Wills2 on Friday 19th August 22:25
Wills2 said:
thepony said:
I would be interested to know how they managed over a 100bhp/litre from a normally-aspirated engine which used to be the sole preserve of high-revolution concept normally-aspirated engines from road car manufacturers: Ferrari and BMW.
They've been managing that for some time. It is also interesting to notice that
E46 M3 105bhp/litre
E46 M3 CSL 110bhp/litre
E92 M3 105bhp/litre
E92 M3 GTS 103bhp/litre
Why are not BMW producing engines with 120bhp/litre and why the GTS bhp/litre so low?
Ferrari F355 109bhp/litre
Ferrari 360 Modena 112bhp/litre
Ferrari 360 Challenge Stradele 117bhp/litre
Ferrai F430 112bhp/litre
Ferrari F430 Scuderia 118bhp/litre
Ferrari 458 Italia 124bhp/litre
Porsche 996 Carrera 89bhp/litre facelift
Porsche 996 GT3 and GT3 RS 106bhp/litre
Porsche 997 C2S 93bhp/litre
Porsche 997 C2S 100bhp/litre facelift
Porsche 997 GT3 113bhp/litre facelift
Porsche 997 GT3 RS 4.0 123bhp/litre
My point is excluding the GT models the regular normally-aspirated 911s are only jsut hitting 100bhp/litre compared with BMW M and Ferrari especially. I be interested to know how Ferrari and Porsche managed to get their engine to rev up to 9000rpm :-D
I'm still not entirely convinced. Maybe I'll have to see one in the metal but the front indicators and grille area just look a bit awkward to me. Also not too sure on the engine cover which has shutlines all over the place and sort of resembles a flat whale tail.
Also why did they decide to copy the rear badges of the Cayenne? Looks way too fussy now, especially as the 911 has never had a lot of badges on the back.
Also why did they decide to copy the rear badges of the Cayenne? Looks way too fussy now, especially as the 911 has never had a lot of badges on the back.
Hi Pony,
Well having owned both the e46 & e92 M3's I can say they are great engines, lots of legs as you say.
The 997.2 C2S powerkit engine (or GTS if you like) produces 106bhp per litre so higher than the e92 which actually produces 414/4000 = 103.5 per litre, I think you quoted the metric 420ps in your 105 per litre calculation. (although mine was dynoed at 405bhp)
The 4.0GT3RS produces 123bhp per litre, so I think it's safe to assume the guys at stuttgart know what they are doing.
Remember as well you are comparing M cars (the top of BMW's engineering tree) to cooking Porsches and it's only fair to compare GT Porsches to prancing horses surely?
But there is an old saying that says Porsche horses to tend pull harder.
Well having owned both the e46 & e92 M3's I can say they are great engines, lots of legs as you say.
The 997.2 C2S powerkit engine (or GTS if you like) produces 106bhp per litre so higher than the e92 which actually produces 414/4000 = 103.5 per litre, I think you quoted the metric 420ps in your 105 per litre calculation. (although mine was dynoed at 405bhp)
The 4.0GT3RS produces 123bhp per litre, so I think it's safe to assume the guys at stuttgart know what they are doing.
Remember as well you are comparing M cars (the top of BMW's engineering tree) to cooking Porsches and it's only fair to compare GT Porsches to prancing horses surely?
But there is an old saying that says Porsche horses to tend pull harder.
Edited by Wills2 on Friday 19th August 23:35
Edited by Wills2 on Friday 19th August 23:36
Edited by Wills2 on Saturday 20th August 11:41
Wills2 said:
nickfrog said:
Wills2 said:
nickfrog said:
I just wished they hadn't waisted 13 years getting rid of the bl00dy IMS...
10 years, the gen2's don't have an IMS. So 10 years.
Edit: Ah! I get it, you drive a Boxster!
The new car is about 2 inches longer with a wheelbase stretched nearly 4 inches. This results in shorter front and rear overhangs, but more importantly moves the rear axle 3 inches aft and positions it farther beneath the rear-mounted engine. As a result, the long migration of the rear-engine layout to a mid-engine one continues with this latest iteration.
Sounds good to me.
Sounds good to me.
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