RE: Spotted: TVR T440-R
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Sorry, I love TVR dearly, but that has to be a joke.
The engines all went sooner or later 'pop', and the brand stands for cheap plastic cars. And lets face it, a Cerbera looks way better for 15% of the price.
Ah, and I really had a good laugh at that phrase:
"supply the car with a fresh engine rebuild for peace of mind"
Now that is re-assuring.
The engines all went sooner or later 'pop', and the brand stands for cheap plastic cars. And lets face it, a Cerbera looks way better for 15% of the price.
Ah, and I really had a good laugh at that phrase:
"supply the car with a fresh engine rebuild for peace of mind"
Now that is re-assuring.
Lutz said:
Sorry, I love TVR dearly, but that has to be a joke.
The engines all went sooner or later 'pop', and the brand stands for cheap plastic cars. And lets face it, a Cerbera looks way better for 15% of the price.
Agree with most of that but the Rover V8 in my Griff is going fine thanks. As for 'cheap plastic', well if you say 'affordable rust-free' it sounds better. Half full, half empty etc.The engines all went sooner or later 'pop', and the brand stands for cheap plastic cars. And lets face it, a Cerbera looks way better for 15% of the price.
TVR lost the plot when Wheeler bailed out and this £150K stupidity is the proof. If they'd stayed sane, used Chevy LS V8s and made cars work properly rather than launching one silly car every week they'd still be here.
Lutz said:
Sorry, I love TVR dearly, but that has to be a joke.
The engines all went sooner or later 'pop', and the brand stands for cheap plastic kit cars. And lets face it, a Cerbera looks way better for 15% of the price.
Edited to put in the word you left out.The engines all went sooner or later 'pop', and the brand stands for cheap plastic kit cars. And lets face it, a Cerbera looks way better for 15% of the price.
Crumbs. I hate to think what you say about brands you don't love dearly.
Anyway, I think the price reflects the rarity of the car.
a) It was pitched at 75K, not 150.
b) Carbon composite body, honeycomb aluminium structural floors, sills and bulkheads - sounds a bit more advanced than the usual tin can fodder at this price level, no?
There's nowt wrong whatsoever with GRP bodyshells, either. Those who advocate that an expensive low volume car 'needs' to be aluminium - ever wondered why low volume machines 10x the price of TVRs look so clumsy and unresolved compared to them?
b) Carbon composite body, honeycomb aluminium structural floors, sills and bulkheads - sounds a bit more advanced than the usual tin can fodder at this price level, no?
There's nowt wrong whatsoever with GRP bodyshells, either. Those who advocate that an expensive low volume car 'needs' to be aluminium - ever wondered why low volume machines 10x the price of TVRs look so clumsy and unresolved compared to them?
£150k for that?
Hell no. If it had a competition history so one day was eligible for historic racing etc, it may be worth it. As it is, a terrible investment - it's not as if the racing cars did particularly well in their short careers.
Str8 Six have some good stuff through their doors though. A year or so back there was an immaculately restored and updated Griffith 500, running a rebuilt and tuned AJP8 Cerbera engine on throttle bodies. The workmanship was incredible, the detailing imaculate. It was under £20k. Now that was a bargain. I regret not buying it to this day.
Hell no. If it had a competition history so one day was eligible for historic racing etc, it may be worth it. As it is, a terrible investment - it's not as if the racing cars did particularly well in their short careers.
Str8 Six have some good stuff through their doors though. A year or so back there was an immaculately restored and updated Griffith 500, running a rebuilt and tuned AJP8 Cerbera engine on throttle bodies. The workmanship was incredible, the detailing imaculate. It was under £20k. Now that was a bargain. I regret not buying it to this day.
Harry Flashman said:
bosscerbera - I love TVRs and have some brand loyalty (I've owned three), but a few isolated wins over a short racing career does not make something a future classic....
It is missing the one key criteria to ensure classic status and a future value well above worth:A chrome grill
Apart from this (and putting the price tag to one side), I don't think there is any doubt that it will be viewed as a classic.
Some people have said it was an under developed vehicle but this simply isn't correct. They are as resolved as all the last Tivs, well put together and most importanly, completely stand alone. They are the pinnacle of development for one of the last all English sports car builders. Engines are hitting 100K miles now so are not the issue they once were. This model was born solely out of a Le Mans racer and very well refined for the road. Built using modern composites and almost no raiding of part bins.
It very much has all the ingredients required. I doubt it has the international appeal which would see silly money but there is no doubting that all 6 cars are the very significant and mark the zennith of where this quirky, British car company finally reached.
Harry Flashman said:
bosscerbera - I love TVRs and have some brand loyalty (I've owned three), but a few isolated wins over a short racing career does not make something a future classic....
You're making a mistake if you think I'm arguing as a 'fan boy'. You should learn more about historic racing - an 'oddball' like the T400/440R might be just the ticket in the future. Who'd have thought a TVR Griffith would rub shoulders at the front of a blue chip sports car race with GT40s? The two cars on row 3 - behind the Griffith and GT40 - are Cobras...
DonkeyApple said:
Some people have said it was an under developed vehicle but this simply isn't correct. They are as resolved as all the last Tivs, well put together and most importanly, completely stand alone. They are the pinnacle of development for one of the last all English sports car builders. Engines are hitting 100K miles now so are not the issue they once were. This model was born solely out of a Le Mans racer and very well refined for the road. Built using modern composites and almost no raiding of part bins.
It very much has all the ingredients required. I doubt it has the international appeal which would see silly money but there is no doubting that all 6 cars are the very significant and mark the zennith of where this quirky, British car company finally reached.
The engines may have been improved but the manufacturing, design and assembly methods of the composite body was short of kit car quality. If you had the basket of parts for the chassis a kit car builder would struggle to build the chassis as the part quality was so bad and much fetling was done and needed to assemble the complete body.It very much has all the ingredients required. I doubt it has the international appeal which would see silly money but there is no doubting that all 6 cars are the very significant and mark the zennith of where this quirky, British car company finally reached.
Fact of the matter is that as much as I love TVRs and as admirable a cause as developing your own engine is, they made an error in cost-cutting the original design of the sp6. I don't really think that straight sixes ever really fitted what I view to be the TVR brand anyway and I have no idea why they did not continue applying the AJP-8 to models subsequent to the Cerbera. Surely the number of Cerbies sold could have not even approached the development costs of that engine?
Anyway, digression. The car that is the subject of this thread is more or less one of a kind, and as much as there are various people that would not pay the headline price, there only needs to be one that will. Saying "but it's not worth that, blah blah blah kit car" is pointless and ignorant.
Anyway, digression. The car that is the subject of this thread is more or less one of a kind, and as much as there are various people that would not pay the headline price, there only needs to be one that will. Saying "but it's not worth that, blah blah blah kit car" is pointless and ignorant.
Blown2CV said:
Fact of the matter is that as much as I love TVRs and as admirable a cause as developing your own engine is, they made an error in cost-cutting the original design of the sp6.
Exactly - the main fallacy being that one could develop a ground-up new engine on a shoestring and to a price per unit competitive with the mass production-derived TVR Power RV8. Low development cost and low price per unit are pretty much mutually exclusive - or something else has to give...I'd rather have something else for the same money. At least you have a company behind it who takes care of business (lets see for how long):
http://www.bristolcars.co.uk/preowned.html
Have a look at the bottom of the page.
http://www.bristolcars.co.uk/preowned.html
Have a look at the bottom of the page.
bosscerbera said:
You're making a mistake if you think I'm arguing as a 'fan boy'. You should learn more about historic racing - an 'oddball' like the T400/440R might be just the ticket in the future. Who'd have thought a TVR Griffith would rub shoulders at the front of a blue chip sports car race with GT40s? The two cars on row 3 - behind the Griffith and GT40 - are Cobras...
Yo, how we giggled when we snapped that. This year would be a bit more difficult for the Shipman / Hales missle to keep up with 10 GT40s.so what said:
well if there is only one of these... is is worth 150k???
i took these photo's back in august 2006 at a local recovery garage in aberdeen.
oh my god!!!i took these photo's back in august 2006 at a local recovery garage in aberdeen.
How can that wreck ever be allowed back on the road? or am i missing something.
If the car was 75k when new how can it now be worth 150k? The car has no heritage, no supercharger and its no quicker than a Tuscan S.
'If the car sells for 150k it will have a new engine fitted'!!!! I would have thought it should have one as a matter of course, or will the one that been smashed up be left in?
A basic new Maclaren or this wreck..... umm let me think!
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