Whats he doing?
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markswebpages said:
Personally I'm not bothered either way about letting people into my lane at any point as long as it doesn't cause me to have to take action to avoid them trying forcing their way in at the last possible moment, if someone makes their intention clear and I am able to do so I'm quite happy to try and create a gap by adjusting my speed and road position.
What I am curios to hear about from the use all the "lanes until you have to merge" posters is when is it acceptable to merging in turn? Rather than just driving down a lane that you know is going to close until you have nowhere left to go other than into a space that doesn't exist, causing others to have to take more dramatic action than would have been necessary to allow you in.
Highlight 1: It's not your lane.What I am curios to hear about from the use all the "lanes until you have to merge" posters is when is it acceptable to merging in turn? Rather than just driving down a lane that you know is going to close until you have nowhere left to go other than into a space that doesn't exist, causing others to have to take more dramatic action than would have been necessary to allow you in.
Highlight 2: If you can see that a car has gone down the outside lane, correctly using the available space on the road, and you have to 'take action' to avoid them merging, then it is your fault for not adequately allowing space for them to merge.
Highlight 3: There should be sufficient space for all cars to merge without drama since it is the responsibility of ALL parties to allow ALL cars to move forward. No car has a right of way over another regardless of which lane they are in.
Highlight 4: Again, read the road ahead and plan accordingly. It's not exactly going to be a mystery that the lanes are going to need to merge at some point!
Merging 'IN TURN' means exactly that. When it is your turn to move past the point of merging, that is when you go. So if someone approaches that point before you, they go first and vice versa.
It's not f
king rocket science!Do you think the driving test needs to have more on motorways than there currently is?
Maybe some sort of extra part of the test, theory of course - so as to not clog the motorways with accidents-waiting-to-happen.
Questions could be like this -
When the motorway is relatively empty ahead but you are not pulling off for a few junctions, do you ...
A.Sit in lane 1 mindful of the speed limit and your surroundings, ready to overtake into lanes 2 or 3 any slower moving vehicles ahead by paying attention to your mirrors and always being focused on the road.
B.Stay in the middle lane as the majority of lane 1 is slow moving vehicles anyway, other roadusers can use lane 3 to pass me.
C.Awesome, the road is empty. other road users? who are they, in my rear view mirrors thats who!
D. Sit in lane 1, and If I encounter more cars regardless of what speed they are doing, I will sit behind them as I don't want to have to overtake then get back in lane later on, people might not let me in. Other cars trying to get in near the junction? why didnt you join the back of the queue like me, have fun going to the next exit (I now feel better about my day having blocked you from getting in)
The majority on the whole don't seem to understand the term merge, I see what the op posted on a daily basis driving to work. Remtards straddling both lanes like they own the whole road and people afraid to use the outside lane and hey presto - even bigger quintessentially British single file queue. With the odd person with sense who drives up the empty lane and either filters in as normal or gets blocked by someone with a Mcain on their shoulder. Are road signs to blame? or is it more the people who interpret them.
Maybe some sort of extra part of the test, theory of course - so as to not clog the motorways with accidents-waiting-to-happen.
Questions could be like this -
When the motorway is relatively empty ahead but you are not pulling off for a few junctions, do you ...
A.Sit in lane 1 mindful of the speed limit and your surroundings, ready to overtake into lanes 2 or 3 any slower moving vehicles ahead by paying attention to your mirrors and always being focused on the road.
B.Stay in the middle lane as the majority of lane 1 is slow moving vehicles anyway, other roadusers can use lane 3 to pass me.
C.Awesome, the road is empty. other road users? who are they, in my rear view mirrors thats who!
D. Sit in lane 1, and If I encounter more cars regardless of what speed they are doing, I will sit behind them as I don't want to have to overtake then get back in lane later on, people might not let me in. Other cars trying to get in near the junction? why didnt you join the back of the queue like me, have fun going to the next exit (I now feel better about my day having blocked you from getting in)
The majority on the whole don't seem to understand the term merge, I see what the op posted on a daily basis driving to work. Remtards straddling both lanes like they own the whole road and people afraid to use the outside lane and hey presto - even bigger quintessentially British single file queue. With the odd person with sense who drives up the empty lane and either filters in as normal or gets blocked by someone with a Mcain on their shoulder. Are road signs to blame? or is it more the people who interpret them.
Simbu said:
CommanderJameson said:
This actually doesn't make any sense at all.
For the same number of vehicles, a two lane queue is longer than a 3-lane queue, and if that pushes the queue back across a junction, it spreads the queuing love out into the local road network.
So BMW-man is actually doing the right thing.
I fking hate amateur traffic police on the motorway.
Drive up to the closure and then merge in turn, like grown-ups, is what people should do.
+1For the same number of vehicles, a two lane queue is longer than a 3-lane queue, and if that pushes the queue back across a junction, it spreads the queuing love out into the local road network.
So BMW-man is actually doing the right thing.
I f
king hate amateur traffic police on the motorway.Drive up to the closure and then merge in turn, like grown-ups, is what people should do.
I retained my Middle Eastern habit of filtering at the point of lane merge ('Thou shalt happily push in and expect to be happily pushed in against') during a recent trip back home and people literally go nuts. I may as well have eaten their children by the looks of rage and incredularity I recieved.
I often find that a polite wave, mouthing the word thankyou and a wink often difuses the situation nicely....
Chip on shoulder syndrome - part of our national make up of always needing to win in my opinion. I saw more anger on the roads in two weeks than I do in a year in the UAE and even then it is always British expats anyway!
On the subject of road captains, one of my happiest memories was driving the company's awful Luton van one day along the A31.
Those of you that know the bit between Ringwood and Ferndown will know it's Roundabout City; for some reason L1 was closed some distance ahead, and everyone had got over to L2 extremely early, even though there were two roundabouts still to go before the cones. So I happily continued in L1 until I'd passed over the last roundabout before the lane closure. At which point, someone decided to switch lanes and stop dead to block my path, just as the standing traffic in L2 began to move.
He obviously wanted me to merge to L2, so I did. Into the space he had created in the now moving traffic.
He was not best pleased at having to slot in behind me.
Those of you that know the bit between Ringwood and Ferndown will know it's Roundabout City; for some reason L1 was closed some distance ahead, and everyone had got over to L2 extremely early, even though there were two roundabouts still to go before the cones. So I happily continued in L1 until I'd passed over the last roundabout before the lane closure. At which point, someone decided to switch lanes and stop dead to block my path, just as the standing traffic in L2 began to move.
He obviously wanted me to merge to L2, so I did. Into the space he had created in the now moving traffic.
He was not best pleased at having to slot in behind me.
EDLT said:
Can you imagine Mondeo Man's rage if the BMW just drove around him. 
On the road past Stevenage football ground, There was roadworks in the right hand lane at the end so people had to filter, normal enough. some cockend in a truck (navara possibly?) decided he was now the judge dredd of the highways and sat in the middle of both lanes, so that people couldn't filter past.Unfortunately for him, both myself and the S6 in front of me realised there was still plenty of room to drive around him and filter properly at the end.
He was decidedly un-impressed.
cool story bro etc
This thread hasn't gone the way I expected. Which is very weird as I'm not the OP 
When I see the lane closed sign I take that as a message to "get in lane" as pointed out... on the sign. If the sign says, "lane 3 closed 400yards" ahead, I tend to move over to lane 1 or 2. As lane 3 is closed, 400yards ahead. Why would you keep driving down the lane you know will be closing?
I know I'm going to get a barrage of abuse for this, and I still don't know why I'm typing. But this is the way I've always seen this
When I see the lane closed sign I take that as a message to "get in lane" as pointed out... on the sign. If the sign says, "lane 3 closed 400yards" ahead, I tend to move over to lane 1 or 2. As lane 3 is closed, 400yards ahead. Why would you keep driving down the lane you know will be closing?
I know I'm going to get a barrage of abuse for this, and I still don't know why I'm typing. But this is the way I've always seen this
StottyZr said:
This thread hasn't gone the way I expected. Which is very weird as I'm not the OP
When I see the lane closed sign I take that as a message to "get in lane" as pointed out... on the sign. If the sign says, "lane 3 closed 400yards" ahead, I tend to move over to lane 1 or 2. As lane 3 is closed, 400yards ahead. Why would you keep driving down the lane you know will be closing?
I know I'm going to get a barrage of abuse for this, and I still don't know why I'm typing. But this is the way I've always seen this
That's fine though. There's nothing wrong with merging early if you want to, though it creates opportunity for others to get ahead of you by staying put. When I see the lane closed sign I take that as a message to "get in lane" as pointed out... on the sign. If the sign says, "lane 3 closed 400yards" ahead, I tend to move over to lane 1 or 2. As lane 3 is closed, 400yards ahead. Why would you keep driving down the lane you know will be closing?
I know I'm going to get a barrage of abuse for this, and I still don't know why I'm typing. But this is the way I've always seen this
It's when people start trying to stop others merge late that the problems begin.
StottyZr said:
This thread hasn't gone the way I expected. Which is very weird as I'm not the OP
When I see the lane closed sign I take that as a message to "get in lane" as pointed out... on the sign. If the sign says, "lane 3 closed 400yards" ahead, I tend to move over to lane 1 or 2. As lane 3 is closed, 400yards ahead. Why would you keep driving down the lane you know will be closing?
I know I'm going to get a barrage of abuse for this, and I still don't know why I'm typing. But this is the way I've always seen this
As long as you don't do braindead dickless stuff like closing up to the car in front to stop others merging in when the time comes, or hover in betweeen two lanes like a retard, then it's fine.When I see the lane closed sign I take that as a message to "get in lane" as pointed out... on the sign. If the sign says, "lane 3 closed 400yards" ahead, I tend to move over to lane 1 or 2. As lane 3 is closed, 400yards ahead. Why would you keep driving down the lane you know will be closing?
I know I'm going to get a barrage of abuse for this, and I still don't know why I'm typing. But this is the way I've always seen this
I've honestly got no problem with those who see a queue and feel that they must immediately join the back of it - that's the way they want to drive at the end of the day, even though albeit not *strictly* following the Highway Code. It's the ones who feel that driving is a competition, and by letting someone in, or by seeing someone drive past them when they're stationary that they're somehow having the piss taken - they're the ones that I've got a problem with.
Driving isn't a contest, it's a means of getting from A to B in the quickest, easiest and simplest way possible - cocktards who close up / block etc do nothing to enable quick, easy or simple and therefore should not be on the road!
Johnnytheboy said:
StottyZr said:
This thread hasn't gone the way I expected. Which is very weird as I'm not the OP
When I see the lane closed sign I take that as a message to "get in lane" as pointed out... on the sign. If the sign says, "lane 3 closed 400yards" ahead, I tend to move over to lane 1 or 2. As lane 3 is closed, 400yards ahead. Why would you keep driving down the lane you know will be closing?
I know I'm going to get a barrage of abuse for this, and I still don't know why I'm typing. But this is the way I've always seen this
That's fine though. There's nothing wrong with merging early if you want to, though it creates opportunity for others to get ahead of you by staying put. When I see the lane closed sign I take that as a message to "get in lane" as pointed out... on the sign. If the sign says, "lane 3 closed 400yards" ahead, I tend to move over to lane 1 or 2. As lane 3 is closed, 400yards ahead. Why would you keep driving down the lane you know will be closing?
I know I'm going to get a barrage of abuse for this, and I still don't know why I'm typing. But this is the way I've always seen this
It's when people start trying to stop others merge late that the problems begin.
Its stupid to be the Mondeo man clearly, I would never "straddle" 2 lanes to stop somebody getting past. But... if I had waited like a sheep in lane 2 the entire 400yards, to get to where the road begins being coned off, and BMW man turns up wanting to get infront of me I wouldn't open the door.
I believe the thought process would go.
1) I saw a sign didn't he see the sign? (I picture Michael Mcintyre saying this)
2) If he saw the sign he knew the lane was closing
2b) Why is he in the lane, as he knew it was closing?
3) Well, he's trying to "push in"
4) I don't like bullies. I'm going to sit on the back bumper of the car infront and see if BMW mans looking at me. If he is, Ill stare at him a bit. If he gets mad I'll give him the finger.
I think PH disagree's with this, and I can only apologies if I've given you the finger
Although, If I am actually incorrect and I should just "open the door" then I apologise and I will do so in the future
StottyZr said:
This thread hasn't gone the way I expected. Which is very weird as I'm not the OP
When I see the lane closed sign I take that as a message to "get in lane" as pointed out... on the sign. If the sign says, "lane 3 closed 400yards" ahead, I tend to move over to lane 1 or 2. As lane 3 is closed, 400yards ahead. Why would you keep driving down the lane you know will be closing?
I know I'm going to get a barrage of abuse for this, and I still don't know why I'm typing. But this is the way I've always seen this
When traffic is flowing there is nothing wrong with changing out of the closing lane in good time.. It's when the traffic slows & starts to queue the problems start because people wont use the closing lane to queue in, which they should. When I see the lane closed sign I take that as a message to "get in lane" as pointed out... on the sign. If the sign says, "lane 3 closed 400yards" ahead, I tend to move over to lane 1 or 2. As lane 3 is closed, 400yards ahead. Why would you keep driving down the lane you know will be closing?
I know I'm going to get a barrage of abuse for this, and I still don't know why I'm typing. But this is the way I've always seen this
StottyZr said:
Although, If I am actually incorrect and I should just "open the door" then I apologise and I will do so in the future
The point is, by merging early, YOU have helped create the opportunity for people from behind to merge in front, so to then get shirty seems counter-intuitive. StottyZr said:
Its stupid to be the Mondeo man clearly, I would never "straddle" 2 lanes to stop somebody getting past. But... if I had waited like a sheep in lane 2 the entire 400yards, to get to where the road begins being coned off, and BMW man turns up wanting to get infront of me I wouldn't open the door.
Why though? To me, it's exactly the same thing as speeding up when you've been overtaken - only complete numpties do it. Once again, driving isn't a contest! Whenever someone overtakes me, I always back off to let them in - it's second nature. That happens if the speed is 70mph or 7mph, it's all the same to me. Why antagonise the situation? I honestly can't understand people's reasoning for this at all!
StottyZr said:
Although, If I am actually incorrect and I should just "open the door" then I apologise and I will do so in the future
Simbu said:
CalculatedRisk said:
I've watched a n0b decide he can tailgate an ambulance in a similar situation where there was almost gridlocked traffic a crash ahead and no hard shoulder... So I pulled out to block him within milliseconds of the ambulance passing and gave him the 'tosser' sign.. Yes very immature of me but what the hell was he thinking trying to snide his way past hundreds of people. Brownie points to anyone who can guess what manufacture vehicle he was driving.
Seriously? How is that a good idea?Might have been a doctor in his own car? Or another member of the emergency services?
Either way, cutting people up under any circumsatances is not a good idea. Might i suggest you were the tosser in that situation...
Hope your proud with yourself...
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