Downgrading - and I can't wait

[Welshbeef]

MartinQ said:

I'm shortly to sell my E46 318i and "downgrade" to a E36 328i. Although that could well be considered an upgrade. Hmm, I'm confused now.

Crumple zones are less
Braking distance is more
Safety generally is a generation behind the E46. The E36 came in at what Jreg so your talking about 1980's design whereas the E46 is mid 90's.


I'm struggling to understand why so many are discarding safety? Do you carry loved ones in your car ?? Surely the safety of your child and partner wife is the most important thing - if not is selfish the nicest description that could be used for you?

[Globs]

MartinQ said:

I'm shortly to sell my E46 318i and "downgrade" to a E36 328i. Although that could well be considered an upgrade. Hmm, I'm confused now.

An extra litre = UPGRADE.

HTH

[mccrackenj]

Oi!

In defence of accountants everywhere; he sounds like an actuary, not an accountant!

Carry on.

Caulkhead said:

Welshbeef said:

BlueMR2 said:

The difference is you need the extra safety in a modern car as the A pillars are so huge you cant see st coming at you from an angle, they are so heavy you couldn't get out of the way and the controls are so muted you cant feel what the car is doing.

You trust your life to its electronics as if they fail your fked.

I trust crumple zones stronger passenger cells etc.
Of course add in airbags (which has saved me in a crash) side airbags etc.

Do you think the whole safety and crash testing is a waste of time and doesn't make cars safer?

You sound like an accountant. There's more to life than risk mitigation.

[Alfanatic]

Welshbeef said:

Crumple zones are less
Braking distance is more
Safety generally is a generation behind the E46. The E36 came in at what Jreg so your talking about 1980's design whereas the E46 is mid 90's.


I'm struggling to understand why so many are discarding safety? Do you carry loved ones in your car ?? Surely the safety of your child and partner wife is the most important thing - if not is selfish the nicest description that could be used for you?

Pack it in, will you? For the same money you could have picked safer cars than the ones in your garage, but didn't, so you're being hypocritical if you're judging others for not picking the safest choice available to them.

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Welshbeef said:

But safety is leagues higher your far more likely to survive in a modern car over an older car so... You take a risk running an older one.

I'm surprised there's only 1 volvo in your garage.

[Welshbeef]

Alfanatic said:

Pack it in, will you? For the same money you could have picked safer cars than the ones in your garage, but didn't, so you're being hypocritical if you're judging others for not picking the safest choice available to them.

True but both were upgrades in car and safety from previously owned not a downgrade in safety.

[Chrisw666]

Welshbeef said:

But safety is leagues higher your far more likely to survive in a modern car over an older car so... You take a risk running an older one.

True, the only reason anyone over 25 can even post on PH is because they walked everywhere as children and avoided roads.

In fact as I currently drive a 13 year old Volvo and before that was involved in an accident in a 10 year old Citroen that came off better against a 2005 ford focus, I am posting this while dead.

Modern diesel cars are even safer still because they do 50mpg so you need to carry less flammable liquids and their superior torque allows you to accelerate away from all those nasty people looking to drive into you daily.

[Mastodon2]

I own a Seat Leon Cupra R, but I would love to own a Golf GTI MK2, one of my favourite all time hot hatches, even if it's barely warm by today's standards. What puts me off is the reliability aspect - with 20 years and 150,000 miles on a lot of these cars I imagine something must break or fall off weekly, and even if they aren't hugely expensive fixes, that stuff adds up and it just makes the car a headache to live with.

While I'm concerned with safety, I'm not concerned to the point where I would not buy an older car because I didn't think it would hold up in the tank like way that modern cars do.

[exigepete]

Chrisw666 said:

I am posting this while dead.

Good effort that man!

[snowen250]

Christ you could get hit by a bus crossing the street, do you stay inside all day? how about flying? Planes do crash you know. And christ alive if ever you fancied getting a ferry! those things sink!

OP Enjoy the Golf, if you are actually worried about safety cage it. I've seen racing Golfs take all kinds of punishment. But its hardly vital for the road....

[corvus]

Globs said:

MartinQ said:

I'm shortly to sell my E46 318i and "downgrade" to a E36 328i. Although that could well be considered an upgrade. Hmm, I'm confused now.

An extra litre = UPGRADE.

HTH

Definately upgrade. You'll love that straight six. Do it man.

[BlueMR2]

Welshbeef said:

BlueMR2 said:

The difference is you need the extra safety in a modern car as the A pillars are so huge you cant see st coming at you from an angle, they are so heavy you couldn't get out of the way and the controls are so muted you cant feel what the car is doing.

You trust your life to its electronics as if they fail your fked.

I trust crumple zones stronger passenger cells etc.
Of course add in airbags (which has saved me in a crash) side airbags etc.

Do you think the whole safety and crash testing is a waste of time and doesn't make cars safer?

Depends if you like big or small cars really.

Ncap etc results are based on cars in that class so when your 5 * minicar gets driven over by a range rover then your 5 stars will mean st as your roof caves in with 2.5 ton sat atop.



Thats what happens when a blonde in a bmw cuts you up as you drive, probably near vmax on the autobahn.

The passenger cell looks the same size as normal with no obvious deformation, the driver spent the night in hospital with a shoulder injury. Not bad for a car designed in the 70's.

[steviegunn]

Simbu said:

I did this earlier this year. Sort of.

Sold my 54 plate TDCi Focus and bought a mk2 MX5, then ISA'd the difference. I wasn't doing the miles to justify the Focass and the MX5 is cheaper to keep. I can work on it myself too

I say sort of because the '5 is a helluva lot of fun to drive

Lol, I did this too, sold my 2001 MX-5 MK2.5 and bought a 2000 Ford Puma with lower miles and ISA'd 2/3rds of the money from selling the Mazda, the Puma almost as much fun to drive, better mileage, lower insurance, 2 more seats and more luggage capacity, love it.

[LocoCoco]

I think what Welshbeef means is that you can have more fun in safer, new cars since you can tear it about at the limit knowing that if you crash, the airbags etc will save you. You have to drive older cars very slowly because the slightest bump could break your spine and that's no fun.

[eldar]

Glade said:

Clio 182 is going next week, in favour of a Fiat 500 Twinair.

Have heard good things about the twinair, and the 500 will be better for what the 182 gets used for...

But the 182 is a great car and it's a shame to see it go!

So get rid of a fully depreciated fast and economical car and replace it with a depreciating car that will only be more economical if you drive miss daisy. You'll save £185 on VED.

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MartinQ said:

I'm shortly to sell my E46 318i and "downgrade" to a E36 328i. Although that could well be considered an upgrade. Hmm, I'm confused now.

nice fookin loved my e36 328, is it a coupe, i recommend a evo exhaust for noise and the 325 manifold conversion, try to get a sport, put some m3 clocks in and vaders, cracking car, dont listen to welshbeef a e90 is a fookin jellymold, e36 is when they were at their peake

[Welshbeef]

Chrisw666 said:

True, the only reason anyone over 25 can even post on PH is because they walked everywhere as children and avoided roads.

In fact as I currently drive a 13 year old Volvo and before that was involved in an accident in a 10 year old Citroen that came off better against a 2005 ford focus, I am posting this while dead.

Modern diesel cars are even safer still because they do 50mpg so you need to carry less flammable liquids and their superior torque allows you to accelerate away from all those nasty people looking to drive into you daily.

Um the older car comes off better... You do realise that that means the newer better crumple zones are doing a much better Job at taking the energy out of the impact instead of transferring the impact onto the passengers!!
So on the face of it you actually came off worse as would be expected given the huge improvements in crash testing r&d.

[rumple]

icepop said:

Ahhhh.....the smell of bankruptsy.

[redgriff500]

Welshbeef said:

MartinQ said:

I'm shortly to sell my E46 318i and "downgrade" to a E36 328i. Although that could well be considered an upgrade. Hmm, I'm confused now.

Crumple zones are less
Braking distance is more
Safety generally is a generation behind the E46. The E36 came in at what Jreg so your talking about 1980's design whereas the E46 is mid 90's.


I'm struggling to understand why so many are discarding safety? Do you carry loved ones in your car ?? Surely the safety of your child and partner wife is the most important thing - if not is selfish the nicest description that could be used for you?

I had an E36 328 for a few years - not bad cars but not as great as many make out. I "upgraded" to an E46 328 - what a piece of st. I had no idea what was going on as I was isolated from the entire driving experience by clutch delay valves and electronics - sold it within months.

[paranoid airbag]

Welshbeef said:

Crumple zones are less
Braking distance is more
Safety generally is a generation behind the E46. The E36 came in at what Jreg so your talking about 1980's design whereas the E46 is mid 90's.


I'm struggling to understand why so many are discarding safety? Do you carry loved ones in your car ?? Surely the safety of your child and partner wife is the most important thing - if not is selfish the nicest description that could be used for you?

To me, caring for your loved ones is nearly as selfish as caring for yourself. Caring for strangers, for reasons other than the psychological or legal harm you'd suffer as a result of hurting them, is selfness. If you were buying a car selflessly, you'd buy something that protected others and forced you to drive with care.