Ringing kits for sale on ebay...No not on our watch!

[iSore]

InitialDave said:

Hmm. It'd be bloody hard work, but if you can get that shell repaired, and refit it with suitable period components, it should qualify for an age related number still. Wouldn't necessarily be the original one, but if you have the V5C to correlate to it, perhaps they would?

Why would you even tell DVLA? Just build the car, affix the VIN and number plates, job done.

The shell isn't a TC one btw, but is a later AVO one. It's also fked.

[InitialDave]

iSore said:

Why would you even tell DVLA? Just build the car, affix the VIN and number plates, job done.

Welp, yeah, bit of a wood/trees one there!

[GinG15]

Rickman V5c on a MK-Indy Seven

wrong make, wrong color, wrong engine size

Vehicle make: RICKMAN
Date of first registration: September 1989
Year of manufacture: 1989
Cylinder capacity (cc): 2000 cc
CO₂Emissions: Not available
Fuel type: PETROL
Export marker: No
Vehicle status: SORN in place
Vehicle colour: RED
Vehicle type approval: Not available
Wheelplan: 2 AXLE RIGID BODY

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/272811978214?clk_rvr_id=...

[Liquid Knight]

Liquid Knight said:

This one again...

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/escort-mk1-twincam-avo-l...

...at least there's a shell this time.

Nowhere near enough of the car to keep the registration so lock up your classics as usual.

Someone bid £66,000 to stop it being used to ring someone's classic.

[Liquid Knight]

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Austin-Healey-100-6-Iden...

[BullitCapriMk1]

Ladies & Gents could you all plz keep your ear to the ground for this stolen VW cab..Stolen Sat night 1st Sept from London..Belongs to a lass chats on twitter & she devastated..Thanx everyone

[BullitCapriMk1]

[67Lenham]

"Austin Healey 100-6 Identity including Nova certificate , Heritage certificate,pink slip, import papers and all tags."

VIN BN4L035341

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Austin-Healey-100-6-Iden...

[Liquid Knight]

Here's another one.

Facebook Advert said:

1969 , 95k miles short Mot mid Nov...will require a small amount of welding for next MOT...goid body..text for more info.

Looking good so far.



No door hinges, side repeaters and front drum brakes on a 1969 "Cooper"?



It's a Mk4 1984-1992 shell. Probably a Mini City from the way the chrome bumpers don't look right.



£4,500 for sale near Grimsby if you fancy £800 worth of parts.

[Sa Calobra]

Hope this link works. This is why we need to keep up the good work and stop this sort of thing

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=191123...

[Liquid Knight]

Sa Calobra said:

Hope this link works. This is why we need to keep up the good work and stop this sort of thing

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=191123...

This is where I suggest people should share.

https://www.facebook.com/itsbeenstolen/

[67Lenham]

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/austin-Mini-30-Logbook-V...

'what you see is what you get nothing more nothing less'

REG: G38 JUG

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Morris-Mk2-mini-saloon-1...

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Leyland-Mini-Clubman-197...

[skwdenyer]

InitialDave said:

Liquid Knight said:

This one again...

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/escort-mk1-twincam-avo-l...

...at least there's a shell this time.

Nowhere near enough of the car to keep the registration so lock up your classics as usual.

Hmm. It'd be bloody hard work, but if you can get that shell repaired, and refit it with suitable period components, it should qualify for an age related number still. Wouldn't necessarily be the original one, but if you have the V5C to correlate to it, perhaps they would?

Bid up to £66k...

Back in the day, car magazines were full of articles about people like Vicarage (not naming and shaming, just the only major resto company I could think of this moment, and they may be wholly innocent) in essence building whole new E type bodyshells, keeping just the part with the VIN stamped on it, then "upgrading" the mechanicals (so new engine, new axles, etc.). So in essence, a whole new car. Those efforts were lauded at the time.

People like these guys still make whole new E-type shells: https://www.martinrobey.com/body-shells/

People like these guys will make you a whole new Escort shell: https://www.motorsport-tools.com/ford-escort-parts...

So you buy the "for restoration" Mk1 shell + log book for £66k, buy a new shell and "re-shell" the car (quite legal), put on the axles etc. that you've had "restored" (ah-hem). Dodgy as hell?

Think about the life of a competition car. Actual rally cars would be like Trigger's broom - new shells, new axles, new engines, etc. There's no way any of it is "original" on a great many cars, but there we are.

I'm genuinely interested - ignoring the legality for a moment, where would people on this thread draw the line? What is "ok" and what is "not ok" and how is that squared with what has happened in the past?

Anything can be used for illegal purposes, and the law can be good or bad or indifferent. I'm just interested in the personal moral angle here.

[InitialDave]

skwdenyer said:

So you buy the "for restoration" Mk1 shell + log book for £66k, buy a new shell and "re-shell" the car (quite legal), put on the axles etc. that you've had "restored" (ah-hem). Dodgy as hell?

Think about the life of a competition car. Actual rally cars would be like Trigger's broom - new shells, new axles, new engines, etc. There's no way any of it is "original" on a great many cars, but there we are.

I'm genuinely interested - ignoring the legality for a moment, where would people on this thread draw the line? What is "ok" and what is "not ok" and how is that squared with what has happened in the past?

Anything can be used for illegal purposes, and the law can be good or bad or indifferent. I'm just interested in the personal moral angle here.

I'm completely content for people to do that, and I don't have a problem with the V5s that are sold with a shell/chassis, even if what you're physically getting is truly horrible. I've seen some real miracle workers out there in terms of metalwork. Almost anything is nominally fixable with the right approach, and a nice new shell is a perfectly ok thing to use in my opinion.

To be honest, I don't even particularly mind people using a V5 to legitamise a "bitsa" as long as all the parts were obtained legally, though that's not really necessary. You can get a classic that's been built from a variety of parts registered as what it "should" be anyway.

My issue is when people can use this paperwork to ring a stolen car, "launder" a write off, or otherwise defraud people by selling something as what it isn't.

[iSore]

InitialDave said:

My issue is when people can use this paperwork to ring a stolen car, "launder" a write off, or otherwise defraud people by selling something as what it isn't.

That's always been my stance on this.

[Liquid Knight]

That's why we're here.

Things could be about to get very difficult for the ringers.

https://www.gov.uk/government/consultations/roadwo...

While this means the MOT exemption could be rolled forward any "barn find" or other vehicle that have been off the road for an extended period could be subject to testing to ensure they are road worthy (or in our case the actual car and not an obvious ringer).

About bloody time eh?

[GinG15]

https://www.reezocar.com/en/voiture-occasion/citro...

http://ww3.autoscout24.fr/classified/316602275


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Ginetta G20 registered with G26 paperwork, hence the 1989 reg-date.

otherwise the car could not been registered outside UK. its even questionable if it was ever registered in Uk / or if its an original LHD or a converted RHD....

fact is: documents and a chassisnumber from a G26 have been used.

[Liquid Knight]

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/322732889693

1989 Mini with an undeclared and therefore untested Z-Cars conversion to run a Honda Blackbird engine but...

"has the identity from a 1966 Mini".

[Liquid Knight]

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/FIAT-X1-9-1983-LOGBOOK-V...8oAAOSwj9lZuUQA

Urine boiling!

[InitialDave]

On the other hand, your chance to own a rust-free X1/9...