Ringing kits for sale on ebay...No not on our watch!

[ChemicalChaos]

So, not a current one, but a historical one here with a twist - a factory sanctioned, publically admitted ringer!

Obviously standards were rather more relaxed in 1983 when this article was published.....

[InitialDave]

I don't really have a problem with that, as they weren't stealing a car to put the identity on.

Same with building up an old Landie on a brand new chassis, or a Mini from a brand new bodyshell, and then using the ID of a long dead car to go on it.

As long as you're not using stolen bits or a stolen ID, it's fundamentally harmless.

The issue is that the same things that let you do that let people launder a stolen car or parts.

[LLantrisant]

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/204088523175?hash=item2...


AJI 4949
✓ Taxed
Tax due:
1 July 2023
Incorrect tax status?
MOT
No results returned
Incorrect MOT status?
Warning If you've just bought this vehicle the tax or SORN doesn't come with it. You'll need to tax it before driving it.
Vehicle Details

Vehicle make
ALFA ROMEO
Date of first registration
September 1972
Year of manufacture
1972
Cylinder capacity
3528 cc
CO₂ emissions
Not available
Fuel type
PETROL
Euro status
Not available
Real Driving Emissions (RDE)
Not available
Export marker
No
Vehicle status
Taxed
Vehicle colour
RED
Vehicle type approval
Not available
Wheelplan
2 AXLE RIGID BODY
Revenue weight
Not available
Date of last V5C (logbook) issued
24 July 2021

[NMNeil]

ChemicalChaos said:

So, not a current one, but a historical one here with a twist - a factory sanctioned, publically admitted ringer!

Obviously standards were rather more relaxed in 1983 when this article was published.....

In the 80's the VIN plate was often under the bonnet and held on by a couple of pop rivets

[LLantrisant]

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/185592626751?hash=item2...




850 CYO
✓ Taxed
Tax due:
1 August 2023
Incorrect tax status?
✓ MOT
Expires:
22 May 2023
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Vehicle Details

Vehicle make
FORD
Date of first registration
September 1961
Year of manufacture
1961
Cylinder capacity
1300 cc
CO₂ emissions
Not available
Fuel type
PETROL
Euro status
Not available
Real Driving Emissions (RDE)
Not available
Export marker
No
Vehicle status
Taxed
Vehicle colour
BLUE
Vehicle type approval
Not available
Wheelplan
2 AXLE RIGID BODY
Revenue weight
Not available
Date of last V5C (logbook) issued
26 July 2022

[Draxindustries1]

LLantrisant said:

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/185592626751?hash=item2...




850 CYO
? Taxed
Tax due:
1 August 2023
Incorrect tax status?
? MOT
Expires:
22 May 2023
Incorrect MOT status?
Warning If you've just bought this vehicle the tax or SORN doesn't come with it. You'll need to tax it before driving it.
Vehicle Details

Vehicle make
FORD
Date of first registration
September 1961
Year of manufacture
1961
Cylinder capacity
1300 cc
CO? emissions
Not available
Fuel type
PETROL
Euro status
Not available
Real Driving Emissions (RDE)
Not available
Export marker
No
Vehicle status
Taxed
Vehicle colour
BLUE
Vehicle type approval
Not available
Wheelplan
2 AXLE RIGID BODY
Revenue weight
Not available
Date of last V5C (logbook) issued
26 July 2022

What a mismatched mess that is. Registered as a 61 Consul . These had the 1703 cc 4 pot which preceded the pre crossflow in the soon to be released Mk1 Cortina.
Registered with dvla as being 1300cc but fitted with the 1600 crossflow unit...

[P. ONeill]

Looks like someone didn’t have insurance on a nearly new car.

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/334706878115?mkcid=1&am...

[robinessex]

P. ONeill said:

Looks like someone didn’t have insurance on a nearly new car.

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/334706878115?mkcid=1&am...

Steel an identical car. Swap the numbers across, then flog good bits off the wreck as well.

[Fastpedeller]

P. ONeill said:

Looks like someone didn’t have insurance on a nearly new car.

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/334706878115?mkcid=1&am...

Hmm. Selling for a friend who doesn't have Insurance? A fully functional right hip any more? Who Knows
Car still drives..... but maybe not in a straight line?

Surely nobody would have a legitimate use for this wreck.

[wpa1975]

P. ONeill said:

Looks like someone didn’t have insurance on a nearly new car.

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/334706878115?mkcid=1&am...

Seems very strange it was not insured

[robinessex]

P. ONeill said:

Looks like someone didn’t have insurance on a nearly new car.

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/334706878115?mkcid=1&am...

I love the dashboard display which says " Stop carefully. Fault " Bloody clever diagnostics these days

[sixor8]

If the driver was drunk, or the car was being used in a criminal act (i.e. running from a 'deal' and crashed), the insurance may be within the terms of the policy to only pay out to the 3rd party. Alternatively, it may have been 'fronted' by a young driver in a relative's name.

[Driver101]

wpa1975 said:

P. ONeill said:

Looks like someone didn’t have insurance on a nearly new car.

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/334706878115?mkcid=1&am...

Seems very strange it was not insured

I wouldn't assume it wasn't insured. Lots of cars are written off and the insurance company fail to record it correctly.

Vcheck picks up on loads slipping through the net. I suspect that is true for this car.

[dhutch]

Draxindustries1 said:

LLantrisant said:

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/185592626751?hash=item2...




850 CYO
? Taxed
Tax due:
1 August 2023
Incorrect tax status?
? MOT
Expires:
22 May 2023
Incorrect MOT status?
Warning If you've just bought this vehicle the tax or SORN doesn't come with it. You'll need to tax it before driving it.
Vehicle Details

Vehicle make
FORD
Date of first registration
September 1961
Year of manufacture
1961
Cylinder capacity
1300 cc
CO? emissions
Not available
Fuel type
PETROL
Euro status
Not available
Real Driving Emissions (RDE)
Not available
Export marker
No
Vehicle status
Taxed
Vehicle colour
BLUE
Vehicle type approval
Not available
Wheelplan
2 AXLE RIGID BODY
Revenue weight
Not available
Date of last V5C (logbook) issued
26 July 2022

What a mismatched mess that is. Registered as a 61 Consul . These had the 1703 cc 4 pot which preceded the pre crossflow in the soon to be released Mk1 Cortina.
Registered with dvla as being 1300cc but fitted with the 1600 crossflow unit...

Very common for the era, period correct even, and that a significant minority still exist. I believe their was an amnesty for getting the paperwork right, but that this has passed and correcting it is now harder. Or just carry on camping.

[dhutch]

Driver101 said:

wpa1975 said:

P. ONeill said:

Looks like someone didn’t have insurance on a nearly new car.

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/334706878115?mkcid=1&am...

Seems very strange it was not insured

I wouldn't assume it wasn't insured. Lots of cars are written off and the insurance company fail to record it correctly.

Vcheck picks up on loads slipping through the net. I suspect that is true for this car.

Link doesn't work for me? Listing removed, may be over 90 days old type error....

[Driver101]

dhutch said:

Driver101 said:

wpa1975 said:

P. ONeill said:

Looks like someone didn’t have insurance on a nearly new car.

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/334706878115?mkcid=1&am...

Seems very strange it was not insured

I wouldn't assume it wasn't insured. Lots of cars are written off and the insurance company fail to record it correctly.

Vcheck picks up on loads slipping through the net. I suspect that is true for this car.

Link doesn't work for me? Listing removed, may be over 90 days old type error....

It was a 72 plate BMW M340i in grey. The car had a serious impact on the driver's side. Looked like a tree or lamppost and the car was bent and roof caved badly. I would be surprised if the driver wasn't seriously injured or killed.

I suspect the seller has got scared with the attention of the same. The truth will come out about the background of the car.

[Dingu]

sixor8 said:

If the driver was drunk, or the car was being used in a criminal act (i.e. running from a 'deal' and crashed), the insurance may be within the terms of the policy to only pay out to the 3rd party. Alternatively, it may have been 'fronted' by a young driver in a relative's name.

All of those scenarios scream self inflicted rather than sad.

[Draxindustries1]

NMNeil said:

ChemicalChaos said:

So, not a current one, but a historical one here with a twist - a factory sanctioned, publically admitted ringer!

Obviously standards were rather more relaxed in 1983 when this article was published.....

In the 80's the VIN plate was often under the bonnet and held on by a couple of pop rivets

The current Fiat 500 actually has the VIN number on the underside of the (obviously bolted on) bonnet..

[dhutch]

Draxindustries1 said:

The current Fiat 500 actually has the VIN number on the underside of the (obviously bolted on) bonnet..

Presumably not the only one. But that does appear a particular odd location.

[NMNeil]

dhutch said:

Draxindustries1 said:

The current Fiat 500 actually has the VIN number on the underside of the (obviously bolted on) bonnet..

Presumably not the only one. But that does appear a particular odd location.

From memory.
Right front door sill under the sill plate, drivers side door pillar (stick on label), under the left side of the windscreen and in the boot as well (pop riveted plate) and of course hard wired in the ECU.