Drink drive killer, please help!!
Discussion
waremark said:
I also consider that six months in prison is a very significant sentence. I have only ever known well one prisoner, but he was in gaol for two months; after that he suffered a nervous breakdown, and his life was significantly damaged by the experience. I don't really believe that this woman would come out of prison a better person if she was made to spend longer inside.
I don't think people want her to serve longer in prison to make her a better person.It's more a punishment for what she done.
I'm sorry but I feel no sympathy for her, yes nothing will change the past, but she drove off knowing she had hit someone.
Yes the "do-gooders" will be quick to say that she panicked and was scared, but I'd say it was more the fact she was drink driving and thought she could get away with it.
And in my opinion being able to drink drive, kill someone, appeal your sentence successfully and be let out early is not a deterrent.
Maybe if she serves at least 6 years she will never...ever...drink and drive again.
After 6 months she might not have that mentality.
And yes I'm aware that there are people that serve long sentences and still re-offend...
Anyway it's always easy to try and side with the criminal when it's not your family involved, it's not mine either but in situations like this I just imagine how I'd feel.
I wonder if you'd be typing the same words if she had killed your son/daughter
waremark said:
Is the only offence of which she has been convicted death by careless driving? I don't know any driver who has never been guilty of careless driving. Drink driving does not generally carry a prison sentence. Why should the penalty be so disproportionately larger because of the outcome?
Are you purposely trying to get a reaction?She hit someone over and fled the scene.
Forget the drink driving, the fact she hit someone and drove off is a crime in itself.
How you can hit a human and drive off like they are an animal is disgusting, even if I hit an animal I wouldn't drive off.
If I hit someones dog I'd stop, let alone someones son.....
waremark said:
nothing can bring him back. And I don't understand why harsher treatment for the perpetrator should make the family and friends feel better.
You're absolutely right, why sentence her at all.She should get a pat on the back.
Why should anyone go to prison, it doesn't change anything.
Maybe we should reward more people with jobs and houses, look at jamie bulgers killers, given jobs, somewhere to live, new identities.
And all this because of the "do-gooders" worrying about criminals rights.
waremark said:
Why should the penalty be so disproportionately larger because of the outcome?
Again you're absolutely right, why should she be given a stricter sentence for leaving someone to die on the floor.She should be given the same sentence as someone who hits a car while parking in tescos and drives off....
MarJay said:
she had been on a night out, had an argument with her partner and thought she was OK to drive. It was wrong and she should not have done it. However, it was the decision of a moment, It was not a pre meditated act. She did not intend to take this poor chap's life. I'd like to think that if there is an afterlife, and it were me involved, that I wouldn't hold a grudge.
You know what the main thing that changes the circumstances is? SHE DROVE OFF AFTER HITTING SOMEONE.Had she stopped, got out and immediately called the ambulance fair enough, but not only did she call them later, her conscience still didn't kick in and she didn't mention she was involved.
Accidents happen, as do mistakes, I've made my fair share of mistakes and done some really stupid things.
I honestly feel had she stopped there and then called the ambulance and just admitted to being stupid, apologised and shown more remorse and regret there might not be as much anger towards her.
Look at this scenario, I'm driving like a maniac doing 70mph outside a school, I hit your child and drive off.
Or I drive at 70mph hit your child immediately get out in shock and tears (you can clearly see I'm distraught) call the emergency services.
There's going to be anger at me in both scenarios, I'd be an idiot for doing 70mph as she was an idiot for drink driving, but the second scenario would be a much better situation.
Not to mention the fact that maybe had she called the emergency services sooner it may have changed the outcome, obviously I have no idea of the exact details, maybe he was killed on impact but either way in a situation like that immediate attention is needed
Edited by pops and bangs on Thursday 8th September 00:58
waremark said:
I don't understand why harsher treatment for the perpetrator should make the family and friends feel better.
I don't really believe that this woman would come out of prison a better person if she was made to spend longer inside.
As my brother was killed in similar circumstances I feel qualified to comment.I don't really believe that this woman would come out of prison a better person if she was made to spend longer inside.
If someone kills someone you love, you feel the Court is judging their worth by the sentence given, so 6 months which you might get for burglary is the same "crime" as killing someone ?
My brother's killer was given 4 yrs and was out in 2. It's not enough but was the maximum the judge could impose.
The harsher the sentence the more likely the crime will not be repeated again.
Which is why I support the death sentence - given the option I'd have used it for my brother's killer - NO repeat offenders !
pops and bangs said:
You know what the main thing that changes the circumstances is? SHE DROVE OFF AFTER HITTING SOMEONE.
I think my main issue with this is that in actual fact, none of the members of this forum except yourself are actually classed as 'victims', and do not have a detailed in depth knowledge of the case. Harnessing the power of the internet to get many virtual signatures from people you've never met doesn't seem the right way to go about gathering evidence for an impact assessment IMO. At the end of the day the only people it impacts are the friends and loved ones of the poor deceased rider.Having never been in the situation in which you find yourself, I can't honestly say how I'd react. However, I'd like to think that I'd want to forget the unpleasantness and have nothing to do with the person responsible. I'd also like to think that she'd have enough guilt to punish her for the rest of her life. How does her staying in prison help the family of the victim?
As has been said, its a bit different if it was a murderer that was being released after 6 months as they may prove a danger to the public. Being that this woman is applying for early release on the basis of hardship, I'm fairly certain that she's finding it hard in prison. I'd also be extremely surprised if she does actually get released early, because I'm sure if she was trying it on then the parole board or whomever makes the decision would see through it.
redgriff500 said:
Which is why I support the death sentence - given the option I'd have used it for my brother's killer - NO repeat offenders !
Would you advocate for the Death penalty in the case of 10 Pence Short? His story is well documented, he was out for an enthusiastic drive, made a split second mistake and ended up in an accident. Does he warrant the death penalty?waremark said:
I also consider that six months in prison is a very significant sentence. I have only ever known well one prisoner, but he was in gaol for two months; after that he suffered a nervous breakdown, and his life was significantly damaged by the experience. I don't really believe that this woman would come out of prison a better person if she was made to spend longer inside.
I was sentenced to 12 months and served 6 months in some of the s
ttiest prisons in Scotland including Barlinnie and Low Moss.I came out a better and much mentally stronger person.
She should serve her full sentence. She killed somebody whilst drink driving AND RAN AWAY.
MarJay said:
redgriff500 said:
Which is why I support the death sentence - given the option I'd have used it for my brother's killer - NO repeat offenders !
Would you advocate for the Death penalty in the case of 10 Pence Short? His story is well documented, he was out for an enthusiastic drive, made a split second mistake and ended up in an accident. Does he warrant the death penalty?In many countries the victims family get to choose the penalty, I'd have chosen his death, whether others do is up to them.
If I didn't have kids and he hadn't been suitably jailed I'd have killed him - that's the risk with soft sentencing - if justice isn't seen to be done - revenge takes it's place.
waremark said:
Is the only offence of which she has been convicted death by careless driving? I don't know any driver who has never been guilty of careless driving. Drink driving does not generally carry a prison sentence. Why should the penalty be so disproportionately larger because of the outcome?
I guess you've never been the victim of a serious crime?Your attitude is absolutly horrific and insulting to anybody who has been the victim of a serious crime.
There are a couple of posters that have put forward some interesting points which are against the general feeling of this thread. I do agree (to some extent) with their points regarding undue hardship if there's children involved etc, but they are only addressing one side of the argument, the punishment of the offender.
Sentencing as well as a punishment for an offender is also used as a deterrant to other potential offenders. A lot of people drink and drive, mostly because they think they won't get caught and if they do get caught it's not really too much of a penalty (we all know some).
I signed the petition as I think it's wrong (with the facts I know) that this offender should get out as soon as she may do but unfortunately it won't save Wayne. If this woman is seen to do "hard time" it may well deter another drink driver and save some other innocent persons life.
Sentencing as well as a punishment for an offender is also used as a deterrant to other potential offenders. A lot of people drink and drive, mostly because they think they won't get caught and if they do get caught it's not really too much of a penalty (we all know some).
I signed the petition as I think it's wrong (with the facts I know) that this offender should get out as soon as she may do but unfortunately it won't save Wayne. If this woman is seen to do "hard time" it may well deter another drink driver and save some other innocent persons life.
redgriff500 said:
IIRC he didn't kill the other guy also he was virtually stationary so really his victim hit him, so hardly the same thing.
In many countries the victims family get to choose the penalty, I'd have chosen his death, whether others do is up to them.
How is it not the same thing? What if the drunk woman had done an emergency stop on the motorway and the motorcyclist hit her? In both cases she would still be way over the limit. In both cases she would still have had no intention to kill or harm, and in both cases the guy would still be the victim.In many countries the victims family get to choose the penalty, I'd have chosen his death, whether others do is up to them.
redgriff500 said:
If I didn't have kids and he hadn't been suitably jailed I'd have killed him - that's the risk with soft sentencing - if justice isn't seen to be done - revenge takes it's place.
That is an immensely dangerous attitude, and would result into people killing rapists, and then burglars, and then shoplifters, and then people who looked at them funny, and then people who had bigger guns than them to defend themselves etc. Civilization demands that this does not happen. I also do not truly believe that you would have killed this man. People say stuff on the internet, because its very easy to add bluff and bluster, but you wouldn't have killed him. You (as much as you might deny it) are not a sociopath and therefore do have a conscience. There is also the logistics and planning of the murder, and the fact that you'd be put away for much longer than he.How are you better than the man who accidentally killed a relative of yours, if you kill him on purpose? Surely the intention to kill counts for an awful lot in the punishment stakes? I'd have to say that your post saying that you'd kill the man responsible for the death of your relative as one of the most unbelievable things I've read on the internet. And that is saying a lot.
MarJay said:
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You have your thoughts, I have mine. To me and if I were a judge they are very different. The main one being by choosing to drink and drive she made the choice to endanger others.
If it makes you feels safe and fuzzy to believe that people don't seek revenge and don't kill each other then fine but I'd guess that worldwide over 10,000 die that way each year - probably many more.
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