Drink drive killer, please help!!
Discussion
Nuclear Biscuit said:
Any dependants would have been taken into account at sentencing. Do we really want the sort of system where people with kids can get away with almost anything without fearing a custodial sentence?
No, you want a system with the intelligence to have proportionality with respect to the effects on all individuals affected.It should take into account the risk that person poses to the public, the likelihood of recidivism, the punishment they deserve for the offence, the deterrent affect, retribution (in terms of how the victims and public think the offender should be treated) and the rehabilitation of the offender.
That is to say someone imprisoned for murder should not be treated in the same way someone is for a driving offence- the law should be sophisticated enough to distinguish between individual circumstances- fortunately it is.
It's pretty crass to deliberately make sweeping and generalised comparisons between offences when it's already plain and clear the law does not do the same.
To the people who are, perhaps, struggling with this - I'm sure we all agree that people are entitled to a second chance having made a mistake, however in this case (to my understanding) someone made rather more than 1.
1 - they chose to drive when they were drunk - impaired judgement and all that but it was a concious decision to do so and it was a mistake.
2 - they were speeding in the inside lane of a motorway (some reports include undertaking cars) when they hit someone - that's 2 mistakes now.
3 - instead of stopping, they drove to the next services and called the Police to report the accident (but not mention they'd CAUSED it) - 3 mistakes and 1 deliberate attempt to pervert the cause of justice now.
4 - they were found - say the news reports - by a Police helicopter, hiding in a ditch - was it cosy there or were they hoping to avoid capture until they'd sobered up?? I can't see that as anything other than a deliberate attempt to avoid being arrested - which means they knew what they'd done but still aren't willing to put their hands-up.
5 - they then drag-out the legal process by pleading not-guilty to something they clearly know they're guilty of - forcing a trial which would appear have only one possible outcome. We're so far from 'forgiveable mistake' now it's untrue.
6 - they're now apparently asking for leniency in the face of hardship for them or their dependants - this suggests to me they're still kidding themselves that they did nothing wrong/made a genuine mistake and should have consideration offered to them that they didn't offer to ANYONE else. To pander to this would suggest that killing someone AND attempting to avoid punishment is quite acceptable.
So - as I said - second chances for some mistakes - sure - but this isn't a mistake, it's a chain of mistakes followed by several calculated attempts to pervert justice...
and all that BEFORE you consider the effect on the victim's family - who the legal system appear not to even want to include in the process (which begs the question as to why the process exists).
1 - they chose to drive when they were drunk - impaired judgement and all that but it was a concious decision to do so and it was a mistake.
2 - they were speeding in the inside lane of a motorway (some reports include undertaking cars) when they hit someone - that's 2 mistakes now.
3 - instead of stopping, they drove to the next services and called the Police to report the accident (but not mention they'd CAUSED it) - 3 mistakes and 1 deliberate attempt to pervert the cause of justice now.
4 - they were found - say the news reports - by a Police helicopter, hiding in a ditch - was it cosy there or were they hoping to avoid capture until they'd sobered up?? I can't see that as anything other than a deliberate attempt to avoid being arrested - which means they knew what they'd done but still aren't willing to put their hands-up.
5 - they then drag-out the legal process by pleading not-guilty to something they clearly know they're guilty of - forcing a trial which would appear have only one possible outcome. We're so far from 'forgiveable mistake' now it's untrue.
6 - they're now apparently asking for leniency in the face of hardship for them or their dependants - this suggests to me they're still kidding themselves that they did nothing wrong/made a genuine mistake and should have consideration offered to them that they didn't offer to ANYONE else. To pander to this would suggest that killing someone AND attempting to avoid punishment is quite acceptable.
So - as I said - second chances for some mistakes - sure - but this isn't a mistake, it's a chain of mistakes followed by several calculated attempts to pervert justice...
and all that BEFORE you consider the effect on the victim's family - who the legal system appear not to even want to include in the process (which begs the question as to why the process exists).
johnpeat said:
To the people who are, perhaps, struggling with this - I'm sure we all agree that people are entitled to a second chance having made a mistake, however in this case (to my understanding) someone made rather more than 1.
1 - they chose to drive when they were drunk - impaired judgement and all that but it was a concious decision to do so and it was a mistake.
2 - they were speeding in the inside lane of a motorway (some reports include undertaking cars) when they hit someone - that's 2 mistakes now.
3 - instead of stopping, they drove to the next services and called the Police to report the accident (but not mention they'd CAUSED it) - 3 mistakes and 1 deliberate attempt to pervert the cause of justice now.
4 - they were found - say the news reports - by a Police helicopter, hiding in a ditch - was it cosy there or were they hoping to avoid capture until they'd sobered up?? I can't see that as anything other than a deliberate attempt to avoid being arrested - which means they knew what they'd done but still aren't willing to put their hands-up.
5 - they then drag-out the legal process by pleading not-guilty to something they clearly know they're guilty of - forcing a trial which would appear have only one possible outcome. We're so far from 'forgiveable mistake' now it's untrue.
6 - they're now apparently asking for leniency in the face of hardship for them or their dependants - this suggests to me they're still kidding themselves that they did nothing wrong/made a genuine mistake and should have consideration offered to them that they didn't offer to ANYONE else. To pander to this would suggest that killing someone AND attempting to avoid punishment is quite acceptable.
So - as I said - second chances for some mistakes - sure - but this isn't a mistake, it's a chain of mistakes followed by several calculated attempts to pervert justice...
and all that BEFORE you consider the effect on the victim's family - who the legal system appear not to even want to include in the process (which begs the question as to why the process exists).
+1, good post.1 - they chose to drive when they were drunk - impaired judgement and all that but it was a concious decision to do so and it was a mistake.
2 - they were speeding in the inside lane of a motorway (some reports include undertaking cars) when they hit someone - that's 2 mistakes now.
3 - instead of stopping, they drove to the next services and called the Police to report the accident (but not mention they'd CAUSED it) - 3 mistakes and 1 deliberate attempt to pervert the cause of justice now.
4 - they were found - say the news reports - by a Police helicopter, hiding in a ditch - was it cosy there or were they hoping to avoid capture until they'd sobered up?? I can't see that as anything other than a deliberate attempt to avoid being arrested - which means they knew what they'd done but still aren't willing to put their hands-up.
5 - they then drag-out the legal process by pleading not-guilty to something they clearly know they're guilty of - forcing a trial which would appear have only one possible outcome. We're so far from 'forgiveable mistake' now it's untrue.
6 - they're now apparently asking for leniency in the face of hardship for them or their dependants - this suggests to me they're still kidding themselves that they did nothing wrong/made a genuine mistake and should have consideration offered to them that they didn't offer to ANYONE else. To pander to this would suggest that killing someone AND attempting to avoid punishment is quite acceptable.
So - as I said - second chances for some mistakes - sure - but this isn't a mistake, it's a chain of mistakes followed by several calculated attempts to pervert justice...
and all that BEFORE you consider the effect on the victim's family - who the legal system appear not to even want to include in the process (which begs the question as to why the process exists).
With an appeal of this nature shows she is failing to understand why the 6 years were handed out in the first place, it seems to suggest that she believes the hardship faced by her family, due to her sentence, is ultimately worse than the one suffered by the family who have lost their son.
. signed it
OK, first a massive thanks to all those that have signed so far, we've managed to get up towards the 4000 mark so far which is fantastic for only a few days 
Secondly, I've confirmed the grounds for appealing early release is not dependents (she doesn't have any) but that she is finding prison too difficult. The parents of Wayne went up to CPS on Thursday and raised merry hell over the lack of support in fighting the parole appeal. As a result things are all getting organised now for the hearing a week Thursday and hopefully the judges will see sense and keep her inside....
Once again many thanks for all the support on the petition, it's been incredible in such a short timescale!
Secondly, I've confirmed the grounds for appealing early release is not dependents (she doesn't have any) but that she is finding prison too difficult. The parents of Wayne went up to CPS on Thursday and raised merry hell over the lack of support in fighting the parole appeal. As a result things are all getting organised now for the hearing a week Thursday and hopefully the judges will see sense and keep her inside....
Once again many thanks for all the support on the petition, it's been incredible in such a short timescale!
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