4WD cars / estates
Discussion
doogz said:
mercfunder said:
illmonkey said:
The Z3 was fine last winter. Why do people thing they need a 'winter car'?
To go with the powerfully built 6' plus physique and goatee of course......this is PistonHeads.
jardinec said:
illmonkey said:
The Z3 was fine last winter. Why do people thing they need a 'winter car'?
Wan't suggesting anyone / eveyone should go and buy one, just curious to see a list of common / avalable 4wd cars.Adding to the list:
VW Golf / Passat (4motion)
Fiat Panda
Saab 9-3
Seat Altea
Porsche 911
Alfa 159
Volvo v50/v70/xc70
Jaguar xtype
Edited by jardinec on Wednesday 7th September 12:25
Another thing to bear in mind is the type of AWD system being used and how it works exactly.
From two different angles:
-many 4x4's have no centre differential, e.g. a Jeep Wrangler. This means they are either 2wd (usually with an open axle diff too) or 4wd with the front and rear props locked together. This means in semi-slippery conditions you won't be able to use 4wd without the risk of breaking something.
-Or you get some AWD cars, such as post 2003 Jaguar X-Types which have an open centre differential and no way of locking it or limiting slip. (pre 2003 ones had a LSD centre diff). This means on slippery surfaces such a drive train will actually become only 1wd with surprising ease.
In short, being labeled as AWD/4WD/4x4 is not enough. You need to know why you want it and what you want it to do.
Chrisw666 said:
I don't want one for the snow I just miss having something big and tonka toy styled.
Me too 
If it wasn't for the impending 'wedding of the year' it would be financially viable to buy one as a plaything, of course having driven almost every variant of Defender with work I'm well aware the novelty would wear off very quickly indeed.
illmonkey said:
doogz said:
illmonkey said:
The Z3 was fine last winter. Why do people thing they need a 'winter car'?
Because some people do.doogz said:
mercfunder said:
Who pissed on your chips? The comment was in no way directed at you personally, so why get all uppity about it?
No-one pissed on my chips, i'm not getting uppity, and i stand by my comment that the cliché aren't funny.You popped into this thread, to contribute nothing useful, make some stupid comments, then cry when someone points out you're not funny?
Awesome.
k all.Still if it makes you feel like a real man to have a go at people on the internet don't let me stop you.
doogz said:
mercfunder said:
Who pissed on your chips? The comment was in no way directed at you personally, so why get all uppity about it?
No-one pissed on my chips, i'm not getting uppity, and i stand by my comment that the cliché aren't funny.You popped into this thread, to contribute nothing useful, make some stupid comments, then cry when someone points out you're not funny?
Awesome.
k all.Still if it makes you feel like a real man to have a go at people on the internet don't let me stop you.
illmonkey said:
Stop driving on the scenery!
Are you stuck too?
lol no. That is actually one of 3 roads into the village below. After taking the pictures I drove all the way to the bottom and rescued a stuck Mondeo that had been there for the best part of an hour trying to reverse out. Are you stuck too?
A S P said:
How good are Haldex cars in snow? I've always rightly/wrongly thought of them as FWD cars 90% of the time and not as effective as having a permanant 4WD system.
It's complete ignorance on my part as there hasn't been one I'd want to own, but it's interesting to see people perceive them to be the same.
The only one I've experienced is a Honda HR-V. But it was on some BFG all terrains at the time.It's complete ignorance on my part as there hasn't been one I'd want to own, but it's interesting to see people perceive them to be the same.
It did pretty well tbh, but I think the thing is, it needs wheel slip first before it'll offer up the additional drive. So you need a slightly different driving style to maximise its affects, slightly more aggressive to get the system to kick in sooner.
JM said:
Is that your route to work/the shops or are you out for a drive to find deep snow/play?
That day it was sort of both. When I'd seen that it snowed I got togged up and went out playing and towing stuck motorists. I used over half a tank of fuel before heading home about 3.5 hours later and having towed a number of people out. I didn't get stuck once though As for that road, I used to live at the bottom of it (although not at the time of the picture). But yes it would normally be a fairly well used route and by no means remote or in the middle of nowhere.
300bhp/ton said:
JM said:
Is that your route to work/the shops or are you out for a drive to find deep snow/play?
That day it was sort of both. When I'd seen that it snowed I got togged up and went out playing and towing stuck motorists. I used over half a tank of fuel before heading home about 3.5 hours later and having towed a number of people out. I didn't get stuck once though As for that road, I used to live at the bottom of it (although not at the time of the picture). But yes it would normally be a fairly well used route and by no means remote or in the middle of nowhere.
raf_gti said:
Me too
If it wasn't for the impending 'wedding of the year' it would be financially viable to buy one as a plaything, of course having driven almost every variant of Defender with work I'm well aware the novelty would wear off very quickly indeed.
My 110 was the worst car I have ever driven for most of the things I used it for. But I loved it so much I'd have another in a heartbeat if the prices weren't so firm at the same time as fuel is catching Beer in the price stakes. If it wasn't for the impending 'wedding of the year' it would be financially viable to buy one as a plaything, of course having driven almost every variant of Defender with work I'm well aware the novelty would wear off very quickly indeed.
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