RE: Driven: Porsche Panamera Turbo S
Discussion
craigjm said:
The problem with the M5 though is that visually and interior fittings wise it is extremely similar to a standard 5 and there are masses of those around whereas people might buy the Porsche for its relative exclusivity as many people don't drive their cars anywhere near 10/10ths on the road
You do not buy a Porsche for exclusivity. craigjm said:
The problem with the M5 though is that visually and interior fittings wise it is extremely similar to a standard 5 and there are masses of those around whereas people might buy the Porsche for its relative exclusivity as many people don't drive their cars anywhere near 10/10ths on the road
The Panamera Turbo S isn't that exclusive when your neighbour could easily buy a diesel or petrol V6 version which looks about as similar as the M5 does to the rep versions. People who want exclusivity and who dont want outright performance are more likely to being looking at something like a Quattroporte GTS, an Aston Rapide or even an AMG CLS all of which are 1000x better looking and sounding while being about the same price or less.
The Panamera Turbo S has the advantages of AWD and sheer outright performance over it's rivals.
Lord_Colin said:
There is a big Mistake here: I drive a Cayenne Turbo S, since 2007. A few months ago, I tested the Panamera Turbo, for a weekend.
You just CANT compare this car to a S Class, 7 series, Audi S8 or any other big Limo.
The reasons:
The seating postion in the front is much Porsche 911, than Limousine feeling.
The space in the back is not anywere close to one of the before mentioned Limousines!!
You want find room for your legs, especially on the side and if the driver is more than 185cm, than you have no comfort at all in the Panamera.
The ride is comfortable, but not anyware close to a 7series, S Class or Audi S8 Limousine.
The Panamera is a Sportscar with 4 doors and some space to sit in the back. Nothing more.
It will never work as a family saloon!
Well, according to Porsche themselfs the Panamera was designed to be their take on a 'limo' and thus to compete with the likes of the the 7 & S-Class. Judging by it's size, appointments, specification, engine choice and price bracket it would seem to be exactly what Porsche intented. As for it being a family saloon, I think that would be more like a 5 Series or E-Class when one is talking about big bucks.You just CANT compare this car to a S Class, 7 series, Audi S8 or any other big Limo.
The reasons:
The seating postion in the front is much Porsche 911, than Limousine feeling.
The space in the back is not anywere close to one of the before mentioned Limousines!!
You want find room for your legs, especially on the side and if the driver is more than 185cm, than you have no comfort at all in the Panamera.
The ride is comfortable, but not anyware close to a 7series, S Class or Audi S8 Limousine.
The Panamera is a Sportscar with 4 doors and some space to sit in the back. Nothing more.
It will never work as a family saloon!
Anyway, you own a Cayenne ..................
B.J.W said:
No 'soul'
Clinical? Yes. efficient? Yes. No soul? I couldn't disagree more.No, it's not heart-on-sleeve Italian stuff, but if you define a car's soul by how much you emotionally engage with it, how much it makes you want to drive and own it, then the Panam Turbo S has bags of the stuff.
It is more than just an efficient device - a Toyota Camry is an efficient device. And I know what I'd prefer to drive...
Riggers said:
B.J.W said:
No 'soul'
Clinical? Yes. efficient? Yes. No soul? I couldn't disagree more.No, it's not heart-on-sleeve Italian stuff, but if you define a car's soul by how much you emotionally engage with it, how much it makes you want to drive and own it, then the Panam Turbo S has bags of the stuff.
It is more than just an efficient device - a Toyota Camry is an efficient device. And I know what I'd prefer to drive...
I've never really understood what people mean when they waffle on about "soul". It's a car, a lump of metal and plastic, of course it doesn't have a soul. It's debatable whether even people do. I sometimes think people just use it to mean they don't like something and feel they should have some kind of argument as to why not.
B.J.W said:
Hugely impressive performance.
Looks dreadful
No 'soul'
This:
Yep. Slower. No 4WD so much, much slower in adverse weather. Less room. Thirstier. Not as reliable. Not as well made.Looks dreadful
No 'soul'
This:
Oh, and massively slower.
It simply does not compete. The Panamera Turbo S is in a different class ( which it should be given that it costs more ) and on a wet country road the Maserati would not see the back of the Porsche as it disappears into the distance..
In my imaginary world, I would like to think that if I suddenly decided that I wanted to visit my house in St Tropez tomorrow and drive, I would need a fast car to carry my luggage and a couple of underwear models. No car better fits this brief than a Panamera Turbo S !
And then I woke up..
Zod said:
You do not buy a Porsche for exclusivity.
I see less ford Mondeos than Boxsters up here, no kidding!If the ergonomics, quality and general look of the inside of the M5 is well judged because it is tried and tested in the more mundane saloons that are built and intended for hard use as work horses, then this can only be a good thing, IMO.
I would bet the M5 has more space in the rear, a larger boot and in a package shorter and lighter than the Paneramera Turbo.
kambites said:
I've never really understood what people mean when they waffle on about "soul". It's a car, a lump of metal and plastic, of course it doesn't have a soul. It's debatable whether even people do. I sometimes think people just use it to mean they don't like something and feel they should have some kind of argument as to why not.
I agree it's the most ridiculous argument with absolutely no quantifiable elements...much like every other forum argumenttoppstuff said:
Yep. Slower. No 4WD so much, much slower in adverse weather. Less room. Thirstier. Not as reliable. Not as well made.
Oh, and massively slower.
It simply does not compete. The Panamera Turbo S is in a different class ( which it should be given that it costs more ) and on a wet country road the Maserati would not see the back of the Porsche as it disappears into the distance..
In my imaginary world, I would like to think that if I suddenly decided that I wanted to visit my house in St Tropez tomorrow and drive, I would need a fast car to carry my luggage and a couple of underwear models. No car better fits this brief than a Panamera Turbo S !
And then I woke up..
You could do that in an S class and the models would be in far greater comfortOh, and massively slower.
It simply does not compete. The Panamera Turbo S is in a different class ( which it should be given that it costs more ) and on a wet country road the Maserati would not see the back of the Porsche as it disappears into the distance..
In my imaginary world, I would like to think that if I suddenly decided that I wanted to visit my house in St Tropez tomorrow and drive, I would need a fast car to carry my luggage and a couple of underwear models. No car better fits this brief than a Panamera Turbo S !
And then I woke up..
Devil2575 said:
I'm sure it's a great car but why did Porsche have to make it so god damn ugly?
I think it's just function over form. The front bulkhead is quite a long way back to allow the engine to be mounted predominantly behind the front axle and the seats are set quite low to allow the roof-line to be low without compromising head-room. That pushes the front seat backs further from the bulkhead as the drivers legs are flatter; this in turn means that the rear seats have to be moved even further backwards, putting the rear seat passengers' heads a very long way back so the roof-line can't start to fall away until it's almost over the rear axle. It's a very sensible shape, just an ugly one.
kambites said:
I've never really understood what people mean when they waffle on about "soul". It's a car, a lump of metal and plastic, of course it doesn't have a soul. It's debatable whether even people do. I sometimes think people just use it to mean they don't like something and feel they should have some kind of argument as to why not.
Fair enough. A car is an inanimate object and doesn't possess a soul. However, if you consider that 'soul' can be something other than that which you described above then the context of my post is better understood. 'Soul' could equally be described as 'a quality that arouses emotion and sentiment'. As fine a car as it is, the Panamera leaves me cold in this respect. It is not a car that I would aspire to own. It is also not a car that I could see myself looking back at over my shoulder when I parked it up at the end of the day.
B.J.W said:
kambites said:
I've never really understood what people mean when they waffle on about "soul". It's a car, a lump of metal and plastic, of course it doesn't have a soul. It's debatable whether even people do. I sometimes think people just use it to mean they don't like something and feel they should have some kind of argument as to why not.
Fair enough. A car is an inanimate object and doesn't possess a soul. However, if you consider that 'soul' can be something other than that which you described above then the context of my post is better understood. 'Soul' could equally be described as 'a quality that arouses emotion and sentiment'. As fine a car as it is, the Panamera leaves me cold in this respect. It is not a car that I would aspire to own. It is also not a car that I could see myself looking back at over my shoulder when I parked it up at the end of the day.
B.J.W said:
y2blade said:
isn't "soul" or "character" just another way of saying "turn-key,push button,flip switch roulette" !
all the TVR owners can't be wrong surly? not to mention the Alfa lot
all the TVR owners can't be wrong surly? not to mention the Alfa lot
I honestly didn't know you had a TVR..(just clicked on your profile now)..very apt
lovely car btw
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