Yawn - another Porsche that hey surprise looks the same!
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Marf said:
Ah, "sample of one" thinking. I see now how you jump to such asinine conlusions as you demonstrate in your OP. 
Also don't be shocked, there are many other people on this site who have posted more than me and in less time, but still, I'm glad that you have taken an interest at least.
Marf, Also don't be shocked, there are many other people on this site who have posted more than me and in less time, but still, I'm glad that you have taken an interest at least.
Your posts have recently raised the following topics, none of which relates to motoring and received understandably poor responses from the community:
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And now at 20:00 cet since yesterday you've posted an additional 23 (correction now 21:49 cet - 27 new) messages on the forum, like I said impressive.
With all your experience on the forum when replying particularly to someone who is starting out you should exercise some self control in order to encourage open communication and community spirit. If everybody replied as you do the forum risks turning into another Wikipedia debacle: a core of listless nerds cock blocking everybody for their special interests and person opinion.
Edited by ermoalfa on Wednesday 14th September 20:55
ermoalfa said:
That is a great picture, took me a moment to realize it was an M6! Very funny.
The more rounded and droplet like all cars get in their non stop pilgrimage towards ultimate aero and ultimate rigidity for the money, the more all cars will move towards all looking very close to one another. Indeed the 6 series and the 911 have a lot in common at the rear. The angles are all getting the same. jermoalfa said:
Marf,
Your posts have recently raised the following topics, none of which relates to motoring and received understandably poor responses from the community:
Topic Responses
"Wisdom tooth pain" (6)
"Avoiding the post lunch lull" (14)
"Cannot log in to pistonheads mobile" (3)
And now at 20:00 cet since yesterday you've posted an additional 23 (correction now 21:49 cet - 27 new) messages on the forum, like I said impressive.
Your posts have recently raised the following topics, none of which relates to motoring and received understandably poor responses from the community:
Topic Responses
"Wisdom tooth pain" (6)
"Avoiding the post lunch lull" (14)
"Cannot log in to pistonheads mobile" (3)
And now at 20:00 cet since yesterday you've posted an additional 23 (correction now 21:49 cet - 27 new) messages on the forum, like I said impressive.
I would respond more directly to your posts but I fear that would only seek to enable further your stalkerish behaviour.
superman84 said:
I agree OP, I dont think there's another prestige performance brand I care less about than Porsche. In my eyes they're overpriced, bland looking cars aimed at the middle aged grey hair crowd who want to show their wealth but haven't got the balls to get a Lambo.
I'm 42, full head of Brown hair. Brand new GTS 80K, I just used it for two weeks touring in Scotland, two up with all our bags and two sets of golf clubs. I do not need to show my wealth, I just want to drive fast and have fun. Not sure how you could match that in a Lambo.Now, when I buy a 458 or an MP4 I may be old and grey.
tuffer said:
I'm 42, full head of Brown hair. Brand new GTS 80K, I just used it for two weeks touring in Scotland, two up with all our bags and two sets of golf clubs. I do not need to show my wealth, I just want to drive fast and have fun. Not sure how you could match that in a Lambo.
Now, when I buy a 458 or an MP4 I may be old and grey.
Tuffer, generally I'm with Superman but I know it's a gross generalisation....Now, when I buy a 458 or an MP4 I may be old and grey.
The guys I've seen driving 458 are by no means the same group that drives porkers..
One of my very best friends from Wilmslow has a 997 S4 (or whatever) and he loved it, I drove it and it was a cracker but it still looked like a dog to me....
ermoalfa said:
I really think that Porsche are painting themselves into a corner with the 911, they cannot change too much for fear of losing their hard-core fan boys so they keep churning out models which look ugly and boring compared to other producers.
One can only yawn....
Perhaps, it is most likely that Porsche are indeed quite happy to be painted into a 'unique' corner with the 911; a corner that they can exist quite profitably within, and in time, should the need arise with the 'new 991' platform, simply remove the rear seats and fit an engine with two extra cylinders and still be able to call it a mid-engine competitor to Ferrari's mid-engine offerings. One can only yawn....
This corner that you seem to suggest is not in Porches' commercial interest, I think is the complete opposite; it is a corner that they effectively own, defined by a car platform that they have spent 40+ years perfecting to the point that whenever another manufacturer comes up with a '911 killer', under scrutiny, they are found wanting in certain areas sufficient that they don't infact 'kill the 911'. If and when the world genuinely tires of the iconic 911 shape/package, then they can do what everyone else does and produce 'conventional' super/sports cars. Even then, they will still do it better than most, if not all of them. So either way, you will most likely buy the best euro-for-euro sports car on the planet.
tuffer said:
I'm 42, full head of Brown hair. Brand new GTS 80K, I just used it for two weeks touring in Scotland, two up with all our bags and two sets of golf clubs. I do not need to show my wealth, I just want to drive fast and have fun. Not sure how you could match that in a Lambo.
Now, when I buy a 458 or an MP4 I may be old and grey.
I would have gone for a GTR. Not saying they're a bad car just that they're pretty bland and bloody common on the roads. They command special money but they're really not special compared to astons, lambos etc it's almost like they're a safe bet which is fine if that's your thing but I'd rather something a rarer which is a more of an event to drive and built with a bit more passion for my pounds. But each for their own.Now, when I buy a 458 or an MP4 I may be old and grey.
Edited by superman84 on Wednesday 14th September 22:10
superman84 said:
I agree OP, I dont think there's another prestige performance brand I care less about than Porsche. In my eyes they're overpriced, bland looking cars aimed at the middle aged grey hair crowd who want to show their wealth but haven't got the balls to get a Lambo.
The argument you make against Porsche, is the the reason I like them. For what it's worth I don't think the car is bland.. but I like how it's not flamboyant and in your face. I like that it's aimed at people who want something with performance but don't need to shout about it. It's probably a slightly tenuous metaphor but I liken the Porsche 911 to an expensive but understated watch such as the Omega Speedmaster - the 911's do all look the same and I feel that's as much for the reasons mentioned by the OP, but also deliberate for several reasons. I feel it helps express a certain level of taste and I guess "status" but to those who don't know Porsches, it could just as easily be a 6 or 7 year old 996 or a 997 or a new 998. I like that it's not immediately telling everyone around that it's a brand new 911 and it's worth 80k. Only people who know cars will know whether it's a new or an old one.
And I don't feel they're overpriced. They offer near legendary reliability and build quality (for sports cars) and have a proven chassis which consistently makes them a real weapon in the hands of someone who can drive.
I say this as someone who aspires to own one and is probably a long way off.. but that's what I like about the 911!
ermoalfa said:
Voight, that is my point exactly - they haven't exactly done well with launching some beefier models such as the 928 and they cannot deviate too greatly from the 911 trademark. As I said it concerns me they are painting themselves in a corner.
Are you serious?!
Have you heard of any of the following
Porsche Boxster
Porsche Cayman
Porsche Cayenne
Porsche Panamera
Not a single one of those 4 look anything like the 911, and yet they are still fantastic cars and are extremely successful (e.g. Last I heard, the Cayenne accounted for circa 50% of ALL Porsches built in the course of a year).
the 911 is the best example I can think of in car design/marketing. They realise the core brand is just as important as searching out new market areas. Porsche evolves constantly, the design & engineering is impeccable now (no sign of the pendulum effect)..if anything at various stages the 911 has changed too much!..I'm thinking 993 to 996.
I just hope Landrover follow the 911 example with their rumoured next generation Defender..and don't produce a 'de-specced' Evoque..
I just hope Landrover follow the 911 example with their rumoured next generation Defender..and don't produce a 'de-specced' Evoque..
Most of the more recent 911s are easy on the eye. Good looking with both attractive stance and presence when both moving or stationary. The thing that has always put me off them ever since the first one appeared is the drivetrain configuration. Placing an engine that far rearward and making a reasonable and fast means of getting about demonstrates to this observer that you can indeed polish and refine a .... So, no pendulous Porsche for me... Fortunately, not all Porsches are pendulous.
So, yes despite all the positives, for myself I would never see any 911 as having that 'must have' appeal. However, I would dearly love to have a Panamera ... so what do I know...
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So, yes despite all the positives, for myself I would never see any 911 as having that 'must have' appeal. However, I would dearly love to have a Panamera ... so what do I know...
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superman84 said:
tuffer said:
I'm 42, full head of Brown hair. Brand new GTS 80K, I just used it for two weeks touring in Scotland, two up with all our bags and two sets of golf clubs. I do not need to show my wealth, I just want to drive fast and have fun. Not sure how you could match that in a Lambo.
Now, when I buy a 458 or an MP4 I may be old and grey.
I would have gone for a GTR. Not saying they're a bad car just that they're pretty bland and bloody common on the roads. They command special money but they're really not special compared to astons, lambos etc it's almost like they're a safe bet which is fine if that's your thing but I'd rather something a rarer which is a more of an event to drive and built with a bit more passion for my pounds. But each for their own.Now, when I buy a 458 or an MP4 I may be old and grey.
Edited by superman84 on Wednesday 14th September 22:10
). Yes and Aston and Lambo are certainly appealing, a Ferrari even more so but unfortunately I am just a DINK'y and not filthy rich. As an everyday runaround the GTS is not a bad place to be, who knows, I may even get fat, grey and old soon and then I can trade it for a Jaguar so it's easier to get the golf clubs in and out.
Mr Dave said:
Ill be honest here, I will probably get assaulted for this but the 964 and 993 were ugly porsches, they have gotten better since.
This looks like the best one since the air-cooled ones.
And yes I do think the 996 can be a very pretty car.
Im the opposite- i think the 964 and the 993 were the best of the lot, and they hace slowly been getting worse since then!!! Totally agree on the 996 though.This looks like the best one since the air-cooled ones.
And yes I do think the 996 can be a very pretty car.
ermoalfa said:
I really think that Porsche are painting themselves into a corner with the 911, they cannot change too much for fear of losing their hard-core fan boys so they keep churning out models which look ugly and boring compared to other producers.
One can only yawn....
You know, I said the same thing not too long ago and I was almost ousted for it LOL becareful buddy! The Porsche police might make you dissapear! LOL One can only yawn....
Meanwhile, all journalists and people alike would make comments about the Esprit looking dated and the same. I think the Esprit has changed over the years in an obvious and natural evolution. the 911 on the other hand, FFS!
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