Audi vs BMW And Keep It Clean Guys

[Chrisw666]

I don't think it can ever be as clear as one marque is better than the other, there are lots of personal preferences involved and lots of reasons to buy a specific car.

IMO the RS6 would be the perfect way to carry 4 people over europe at pace, but the E60 M5 would be the more exciting way to do the same job, the M3 would be perfect as a fast but still practical car that you could drive on track, the RS4 would be the same but probably a bit easier to drive quickly when the weather was poor. An A4 TDI is a sensible way to car your offspring or samples up and down the motorway, a 320d is equally sensible and feels better when you discover you have to spend your life driving around Yorkshire's A & B roads.

[RobM77]

ewenm said:

I can feel the difference in balance between FWD and RWD cars at any speed. I just don't care about the difference in my big heavy family barge. I care about other aspects of the car more than I care about perfect balance. I spend more time hoping our 1-year-old isn't about to vomit due to not being used to a front-facing car seat than whether the car feels balanced in rush hour traffic.

There's a difference between noticing the RWD dynamics and prioritising them.

Yes, of course. I hope I didn't infer otherwise in my posts. To be honest though, it's not a relevant point here because Audi and BMW's ranges pretty much both do the same thing. For example, the A4 2.0Tdi doesn't do anything that my 320d doesn't do and vice versa, leaving me free to make a FWD/RWD choice.

[goldblum]

Melvin Udall said:

goldblum said:

It's a hill.One of those cars loses traction.I wonder which one?

You've missed his point entirely.

No,I understand his point completely.Are you saying the fact that the cars are on a hill doesn't contribute to the car on the lefts lack of traction?

Look at the photo again.And which car (if either in the photo) is more likely to wear low profiles?

Mine is a small and negligible point,but I fear you have missed it entirely.

[Melvin Udall]

goldblum said:

No,I understand his point completely.Are you saying the fact that the cars are on a hill doesn't contribute to the car on the lefts lack of traction?

Look at the photo again.And which car (if either in the photo) is more likely to wear low profiles?

Mine is a small and negligible point,which I fear you have missed entirely.

My sister has a drive just like it. Husband with A6 quattro slides in the winter, on his summers, whereas I got up no bother with my RWD G35 had no problem. The key in that photo is tyres.

[Fox-]

infradig said:

This is like trying to discuss with my wife why I'm reluctant to get the 'nice red Audi estate' (actually a 55 plate 2.7tdi quattro A6) to replace my e39 diesel with quarter of a million miles on it. I don't like the look of e60/1's but just know I'd regret it the first decent bit of road (the switch the dsc off/move the backrest up a couple of notches/turn the radio off sort of road)I came across. For 95% of my motorway slogging an A6 would be perfect though!

Keep your E39 until you literally have no choice but to throw it in the bin. Do not replace it before you need to. I made this mistake and replaced it with an E92 335i. A fantastic car but... it's no E39. So I sold it and I'm happily back in the E39.

One day it will explode and I shall reluctantly replace it with an F10. The E39 is probably one of the finest cars, comparatively speaking, BMW have ever made.

Amazingly out of the two cars - a near 200k mile E39 530i and a 25k mile 335i that's not even had its third birthday... the E92 was the one that rattled..

[McSam]

Snowboy said:

rudecherub said:

That's a great picture.
At a glance you can really see the difference in the style of tyres.

See how the tyres on the left compact the snow under them but the tyres on the right cut through the snow so the rubber is in contact with the ground underneath.

I'm not sure why it's in the Audi vs BMW thread though.

Since a great big debate looks to spawn from this, I feel I should tell you that's an excellent point very well made

[infradig]

Melvin Udall said:

Sorry, bit what exactly are you implying?

As for an everyday car, I don't particularly see why RWD or FWD has to come into the equation, unless it is your only car. Going to the shops, or the drive to work, or picking the wfe up from her friends, or taking the kids to school, ormdriving to a holiday home doesn't really require it, to be honest.

You feel the quality of the steering everytime you drive the car and no fwd I've driven,which in the last month include Audi A4&A6,Insignia,Fiat 500 and a Golf come close to my Jag or BMW or probably an Infinti G35. Also sideways to the shops is not unheard of and my youngest once got me into trouble with SWMBO when she told her the t/c warning light in her Jag was to make it go around roundabouts with the front pointing at the roundabout.

[Melvin Udall]

It must just me me who doesn't drift, or do burnouts away from the lights, on the way to the shops.

[infradig]

Fox- said:

Keep your E39 until you literally have no choice but to throw it in the bin. Do not replace it before you need to. I made this mistake and replaced it with an E92 335i. A fantastic car but... it's no E39. So I sold it and I'm happily back in the E39.

One day it will explode and I shall reluctantly replace it with an F10. The E39 is probably one of the finest cars, comparatively speaking, BMW have ever made.

Amazingly out of the two cars - a near 200k mile E39 530i and a 25k mile 335i that's not even had its third birthday... the E92 was the one that rattled..

My problem is that by the time I can afford an F10 my current e39 will have done over 500,000 miles and I just can't bring myself to pay 7 or 8 grand for a late low mileage e39 hence the heretic Audi thoughts,although I may be able to afford an XF before it's done 300,000.

[sticks090460]

swiftwill said:

Benmac said:

Well from my perspective it's a simple question of how many genuine "driver's cars" (hateful term but you know what I mean) each brand has made. Apart from a few gems like the R8 and most recent RS4 most Audis are fairly uninspiring things to drive, inert and without any feel. With BMW it's more the opposite where apart from a few duffers most of their stuff (historically at least) is pleasant to drive - just simple stuff like steering with a bit of feel, nice weighting to controls etc etc.

A fair point, what are BMW's duffers?

X6, X5M

[anonymous-user]

Audi vs BMW

Magnolia vs Harvest Gold

[ewenm]

Melvin Udall said:

It must just me me who doesn't drift, or do burnouts away from the lights, on the way to the shops.

I save those antics for the track. I can't afford the tyre wear on the family wagon for that sort of stuff anyway

[Dave_ST220]

Melvin Udall said:

It must just me me who doesn't drift, or do burnouts away from the lights, on the way to the shops.

Or talk bks on the internet

[BDR529]

rudecherub said:

The BMW driver had more fun getting up the drive.

[BarnatosGhost]

infradig said:

Fox- said:

Keep your E39 until you literally have no choice but to throw it in the bin. Do not replace it before you need to. I made this mistake and replaced it with an E92 335i. A fantastic car but... it's no E39. So I sold it and I'm happily back in the E39.

One day it will explode and I shall reluctantly replace it with an F10. The E39 is probably one of the finest cars, comparatively speaking, BMW have ever made.

Amazingly out of the two cars - a near 200k mile E39 530i and a 25k mile 335i that's not even had its third birthday... the E92 was the one that rattled..

My problem is that by the time I can afford an F10 my current e39 will have done over 500,000 miles and I just can't bring myself to pay 7 or 8 grand for a late low mileage e39 hence the heretic Audi thoughts,although I may be able to afford an XF before it's done 300,000.

Fear not. Lots of very nice E39s around with 150k for under £1,500. Don't make one big leap, make several staged steps.

Then, once you've had the F10 for a while see the light, wonder what on earth you were thinking, and go back to an E39.

[swiftwill]

Snowboy said:

goldblum said:

Snowboy said:

rudecherub said:

That's a great picture.
At a glance you can really see the difference in the style of tyres.

See how the tyres on the left compact the snow under them but the tyres on the right cut through the snow so the rubber is in contact with the ground underneath.

I'm not sure why it's in the Audi vs BMW thread though.

It's a hill.One of those cars loses traction.I wonder which one?

The one with the low profile summer tyres loses traction.
The one with the big blocky tyres keeps traction.

You mean the BMW can't grip and the Audi can as its an old model 3 series and A4 in the garage

[RobM77]

Melvin Udall said:

It must just me me who doesn't drift, or do burnouts away from the lights, on the way to the shops.

What on earth has that got to do with Audi vs BMW?

[Melvin Udall]

RobM77 said:

hat on earth has that got to do with Audi vs BMW?

Well, the whole RWD/FWD daily driver thing, and does it matter if it is either thing.

[LukeSi]

swiftwill said:

Snowboy said:

goldblum said:

Snowboy said:

rudecherub said:

That's a great picture.
At a glance you can really see the difference in the style of tyres.

See how the tyres on the left compact the snow under them but the tyres on the right cut through the snow so the rubber is in contact with the ground underneath.

I'm not sure why it's in the Audi vs BMW thread though.

It's a hill.One of those cars loses traction.I wonder which one?

The one with the low profile summer tyres loses traction.
The one with the big blocky tyres keeps traction.

You mean the BMW can't grip and the Audi can as its an old model 3 series and A4 in the garage

Well I am pretty sure that that Audi is on winter tyres and is more than likely AWD while the BMW looks to be on summer tyres and is RWD. Given the correct tyres the BMW would do just as good a job as the Audi.

[RobM77]

Melvin Udall said:

RobM77 said:

hat on earth has that got to do with Audi vs BMW?

Well, the whole RWD/FWD daily driver thing, and does it matter if it is either thing.

Are you suggesting that the differences between RWD and FWD boil down to burnouts and drifting sideways with smoke pouring off your tyres?!