RE: Turbos For Next Civic Type R?
Discussion
R26Andy said:
If they want to stay a little different (and they should, 4 pot turbos are to common as it is) why not supercharge instead?
One of Honda's core values is low emissions and fuel economy. While the end result of a turbo and supercharger are similar there is not the mechanical loss associated with a supercharger. Turbos are generally far more frugal as they are usually powered by exhaust gas and are able to offer increased performance in a relatively fuel efficient manner.On the more fun side I am sure that they also did this a a nod to tuners as well. While it seems that the focus and GTI seem to extremely popular there the Honda and import tuner scene here is massive. I would guess the internals are very robust and probably capable of handling a lot more for those that wish to take the car to another level
What Honda need to do is give up tuning engines themselves and let Spoon tune them and have a car with a 12,000 RPM rev range. mmmmmmmm
Honda is a great brand and famous for not having turbo'd any Type R's or VTi's and it would be a real shame to lose all that heritage in tuning NA and go to Turbo just because 'its the norm'.
I'm glad I left Honda as a brand as its now getting really boring in making cars. Shame on you Honda. Bring back the good old days of nicely designed cars with amazing engineering designs.
Honda is a great brand and famous for not having turbo'd any Type R's or VTi's and it would be a real shame to lose all that heritage in tuning NA and go to Turbo just because 'its the norm'.
I'm glad I left Honda as a brand as its now getting really boring in making cars. Shame on you Honda. Bring back the good old days of nicely designed cars with amazing engineering designs.
Alex said:
10 Pence Short said:
If you were right the DC2 would have modern levels of CO2 emissions and Honda could merrily play away making greener 9000rpm hatches well into the future.
You're not right, though.
That must be down to hydro-carbon emissions then. CO2 emissions are inversely proportional to MPG, or to put it another way, the more fuel you burn, the more CO2 you emit.You're not right, though.
thewheelman said:
Easily the best Type R in terms of performance & light weight was the EK9, it may have only had 185bhp, but did 0-60 in 5.7 seconds. That would still show up many modern hot hatchbacks. Honda have lost their way over the last 5 years or so when it comes to performance cars, i hope they get their mojo back.
LOL.It really didn't, that figure is made up b
ks. The DC2, DC5 and FD2 are all better Type R's, and the JDM EP3.stowey1984 said:
Honda is a great brand and famous for not having turbo'd any Type R's or VTi's and it would be a real shame to lose all that heritage in tuning NA and go to Turbo just because 'its the norm'.
The only reason Honda would go to Turbo is because they are forced to by CO2 emission regulations, not because "it's the norm".doogz said:
Having spent some time in one, an EK9 kicks DC2 and 5 ass.
It's lighter, stiffer, i preferred the 1600 to the 1800. The stats are fairly meaningless, you have to drive one to understand what the hype is about. Great car.
Too stiff for no good reason and badly resolved- the DC2 was a much better sum of its parts. It was a good swansong for the B16 and that's about it. It's lighter, stiffer, i preferred the 1600 to the 1800. The stats are fairly meaningless, you have to drive one to understand what the hype is about. Great car.
iphonedyou said:
What way did you find it soft when you drove it? Genuinely interested.
More body roll, better damping and less steering feedback come straight to mind. The DC5 feels like a very good hot hatch, the DC2 feels like a junior race car. The DC5 also has a nice cabin, which feels luxurious compared to the DC2.The DC5 isn a soft car, it just feels it in comparison to the DC2.
j_s14a said:
More body roll, better damping and less steering feedback come straight to mind. The DC5 feels like a very good hot hatch, the DC2 feels like a junior race car. The DC5 also has a nice cabin, which feels luxurious compared to the DC2.
The DC5 isn a soft car, it just feels it in comparison to the DC2.
...which is all very similar to how the fn2 fares against the ep3.The DC5 isn a soft car, it just feels it in comparison to the DC2.
anyone who describes the fn2 as "soft" or "slow" is off the mark... it may be slightly softer than an ep3 and no faster but its still a very good hot hatch...in the real world/everyday use i would rather have the better cabin etc... someone who tracked the car alot would choose a more "hardcore" type r.
10 Pence Short said:
Too stiff for no good reason and badly resolved- the DC2 was a much better sum of its parts. It was a good swansong for the B16 and that's about it.
This is clearly going to decend into a fanboi face off, but regardless...In what way was it 'stiffer for no good reason' and 'badly resolved'?
The spring rates and damping between the two are nigh on identical but the EK has a newer, stiffer chassis, which can hardly be described as pointless. I have no idea what 'badly resolved' relates to.
davidcharles said:
...which is all very similar to how the fn2 fares against the ep3.
anyone who describes the fn2 as "soft" or "slow" is off the mark... it may be slightly softer than an ep3 and no faster but its still a very good hot hatch...in the real world/everyday use i would rather have the better cabin etc... someone who tracked the car alot would choose a more "hardcore" type r.
But the DC5 got 30bhp more and an extra gear to cope with the added weight..the FN just got added weight and torsion rear beamsanyone who describes the fn2 as "soft" or "slow" is off the mark... it may be slightly softer than an ep3 and no faster but its still a very good hot hatch...in the real world/everyday use i would rather have the better cabin etc... someone who tracked the car alot would choose a more "hardcore" type r.
j_s14a said:
More body roll, better damping and less steering feedback come straight to mind. The DC5 feels like a very good hot hatch, the DC2 feels like a junior race car. The DC5 also has a nice cabin, which feels luxurious compared to the DC2.
The DC5 isn a soft car, it just feels it in comparison to the DC2.
Fair enough I guess The DC5 isn a soft car, it just feels it in comparison to the DC2.
Mine is on coilovers and has been since I bought it so I'm not sure how they feel as standard.Kozy said:
10 Pence Short said:
Too stiff for no good reason and badly resolved- the DC2 was a much better sum of its parts. It was a good swansong for the B16 and that's about it.
This is clearly going to decend into a fanboi face off, but regardless...In what way was it 'stiffer for no good reason' and 'badly resolved'?
The spring rates and damping between the two are nigh on identical but the EK has a newer, stiffer chassis, which can hardly be described as pointless. I have no idea what 'badly resolved' relates to.
It didn't gel as a package as well as the Integra for me, it felt like it didn't work on the roads over here. JDM models have a history of not being as well suited over here, EP3 and NSXR2 being examples.
I spent much longer than is healthy being an obsessive Hondaphile to worry whether my subjective opinion is shared by other such nerds; suffice to say I used to enjoy Honda's attitude to engineering and now feel the current direction is of far less interest to me, which is a shame.
10 Pence Short said:
It won't, don't worry.
It didn't gel as a package as well as the Integra for me, it felt like it didn't work on the roads over here. JDM models have a history of not being as well suited over here, EP3 and NSXR2 being examples.
Strange, does the JDM DC2 suffer the same problem over the UK model? I really didn't think, having looked at the spring rates and damper forces, that there would be any noticeable difference.It didn't gel as a package as well as the Integra for me, it felt like it didn't work on the roads over here. JDM models have a history of not being as well suited over here, EP3 and NSXR2 being examples.
10 Pence Short said:
I spent much longer than is healthy being an obsessive Hondaphile to worry whether my subjective opinion is shared by other such nerds; suffice to say I used to enjoy Honda's attitude to engineering and now feel the current direction is of far less interest to me, which is a shame.
Couldn't agree more. Even the EP3 is of little interest. Wouldn't mind the engine in my EK though...doogz said:
Having spent some time in one, an EK9 kicks DC2 and 5 ass.
It's lighter, stiffer, i preferred the 1600 to the 1800. The stats are fairly meaningless, you have to drive one to understand what the hype is about. Great car.
Times change, cars get heavier.It's lighter, stiffer, i preferred the 1600 to the 1800. The stats are fairly meaningless, you have to drive one to understand what the hype is about. Great car.
You can't argue the K20 is a better engine than either the Ek9 or DC2.
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