RE: Turbos For Next Civic Type R?
Discussion
The orignal civic type-r moved the game on, until rivals caught up and surpassed it. The previous/current model lived off of the orignal image that the previous version had built up IMO and lacks the pace of rivals i.e Focus ST, Astra VXR, Renault Megane,etc.
Here is to hoping that the new one has the same impact on the market as the original although i won't hold my breath especially with looks like the above.
Don't get me wrong none of the current crop of cars i.e. the focus,astra and megane are "lookers" but i think this design is exceptionally awful.
At the lower end of the market "style" seems to fall way down the list of priorities and manufacturers are more interested in NCAP ratings, effciency and the like.
Here is to hoping that the new one has the same impact on the market as the original although i won't hold my breath especially with looks like the above.
Don't get me wrong none of the current crop of cars i.e. the focus,astra and megane are "lookers" but i think this design is exceptionally awful.
At the lower end of the market "style" seems to fall way down the list of priorities and manufacturers are more interested in NCAP ratings, effciency and the like.
madal said:
thewheelman said:
I disagree, a few years back the girl i was dating had a Civic type R, & her brother had a Focus ST, the Ford was superior in pretty much every way, & more fun to drive. The 2.5 engine made the Civics 2.0 V-Tec feel quite dated. I went out of my way to avoid driving the Civic, it just felt cheap & basic. I am a fan of Honda in general, but either they're not what they used to be, or others have caught up & even overtaken them.
o can you put these 2 car together ford and honda have you been at the cider
RobCrezz said:
thewheelman said:
I disagree, a few years back the girl i was dating had a Civic type R, & her brother had a Focus ST, the Ford was superior in pretty much every way, & more fun to drive. The 2.5 engine made the Civics 2.0 V-Tec feel quite dated. I went out of my way to avoid driving the Civic, it just felt cheap & basic. I am a fan of Honda in general, but either they're not what they used to be, or others have caught up & even overtaken them.
Couldn't disagree more. I like the Focus ST, but its overweight and not as much fun when going for it. thewheelman said:
What is going on with medium size hatchbacks at the moment? The Civic, Focus, Leon & others, they all seem to be getting bigger & ugly.
That's because of 2 reasons:1. It's human nature to want more. In marketing terms it is difficult to bring out a new car which is smaller, less well equipped and less refined than the one it replaced. It's just so much easier to make it a bit bigger, and a large percentage of customers will perceive this as improved value for money.
2. It's most people deluding themselves. These are not small or compact or even mid size hatches any longer. They are fully bonafide large family cars. Go back through the decades and this segment was once occupied by cars like the Escort saloon, Triumph Dolomite and larger models like the Rover P6 and Cavaliers. In the 80's and 90's this same segment was occupied by the Sierra and cars like the Peugeot 405 saloon.
Nearly all of these saloons are gone now, the BMW 3 Series being the only one, but now also a much bigger vehicle. All these hatches are what used to be saloons. A MK2 Focus is pretty much the same size as a Sierra was and most of the Sierra's extra length was just the bumper design, not the interior space.
Easily the best Type R in terms of performance & light weight was the EK9, it may have only had 185bhp, but did 0-60 in 5.7 seconds. That would still show up many modern hot hatchbacks. Honda have lost their way over the last 5 years or so when it comes to performance cars, i hope they get their mojo back.
The styling is a little odd, those sharp creases around the wheel arches seem almost like an after-thought, the rear one integrates better with the design but there are too many areas where it seems different features and ideas collide. To be fair, the last car was a real styling piece and was always going to be hard to follow, being such a radical departure from its predecessor. The faux-mesh plastic on the bumper looks cheap, and the different colour front end is too much like a current Megane/Clio for my liking. And like the Megane Coupe and the old Type-R, visibility out of the back window seems to have been overlooked.
Hopefully they make something seriously competitive. Honda upped the affordable hot hatch game a few years back with the EP3 Type R. Then fully retraced their steps to the back bench with the FN2.
If they can make a class leading turbocharged hot hatch, for less than Renault's offerings at the time (probably a 250-300bhp Megane) - then I may well be a customer.
PS. I was hoping they'd ditch that shape for the new Civic though
If they can make a class leading turbocharged hot hatch, for less than Renault's offerings at the time (probably a 250-300bhp Megane) - then I may well be a customer.
PS. I was hoping they'd ditch that shape for the new Civic though
thewheelman said:
Well your definition of fun is different to mine. I prefer the superior hanlding of the Focus with its faster turn of speed. More fun without a doubt, the Civic isn't exactly light itself.
Sorry are you talking about the newest shape FN2 Civic?My mistake, I was talking about the EP3
RobCrezz said:
thewheelman said:
Well your definition of fun is different to mine. I prefer the superior hanlding of the Focus with its faster turn of speed. More fun without a doubt, the Civic isn't exactly light itself.
Sorry are you talking about the newest shape FN2 Civic?My mistake, I was talking about the EP3
The original 'EK9' Civic wasn't really that special and certainly not as well executed as the Integra of the same era. People seem to look on it with rose tinted spectacles as it's so rare over here.
What I can agree on is that the 'FN' shape Civic looked and acted w
k, and Honda have brought a new version that looks even wkier. Congratulations!
What I can agree on is that the 'FN' shape Civic looked and acted w
k, and Honda have brought a new version that looks even wkier. Congratulations!RobCrezz said:
i-Vtec and Turbocharged will be very good. The Vtec system can be tuned improve the spool and lag of the turbo. If they could tune a light pressure variable geometry turbocharged engine so it complies with emissions and fuel economy, but still retain that 8000rpm top end it would be a fantastic engine.
Not much point in having an elaborate VTEC system on a turbo-charged engine as to get over the lack of valve over-lap you can just ramp up the boost and shove the fuel/air in there.I'd have to agee with many of the points already raised. The Civic started off as a pretty decent looking hatch but it seems to have got uglier with each iteration. Just what is this obession with Japanese manufactuers wanting to add all these funky shapes and glittery stick on tat to every corner of the car? It doesn't make the car look futuristic, it just makes it look sh*t. This latest one seems a little bit more toned down then the last abomonation but it still isn't going to win any beauty contests.
As for the turbocharging it's very sad. The Vtec is what distinguished this from all the other hot hatches available so this will no just become one of the crowd. Honda really have lost the plot in terms of their performance car credentials over the last few years.
As for the turbocharging it's very sad. The Vtec is what distinguished this from all the other hot hatches available so this will no just become one of the crowd. Honda really have lost the plot in terms of their performance car credentials over the last few years.
Guvernator said:
As for the turbocharging it's very sad. The Vtec is what distinguished this from all the other hot hatches available so this will no just become one of the crowd. Honda really have lost the plot in terms of their performance car credentials over the last few years.
To be fair, that's not to do with them- it's EU emission regulations driving the route to turbocharging. 10 Pence Short said:
To be fair, that's not to do with them- it's EU emission regulations driving the route to turbocharging.
Which is ridiculous. I average 32mpg from my DC2. I'd be amazed if any Focus ST/RS, Megane Sport or Golf GTi owner gets much better than that in the real world.Gassing Station | General Gassing | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff