RE: LF-A Roadster Canned, New Supra On The Way?
Discussion
Bigchiefmuffin said:
I wonder how many LF-A's they actually sold ? No matter how you look at it, it still seems about £150K to expensive.
Suspect they canned the convertible because they knew that no one would ever buy one.
Limited build so all sold IIRC?Suspect they canned the convertible because they knew that no one would ever buy one.
Overpriced but very exclusive and a nice piece of engineering.
I also like the look.
Imho this car is much like the One-77, unique design, limited run, way to expensive for what it is/can do.
But, neither are too expensive as both were sold out.
ZesPak said:
Bigchiefmuffin said:
I wonder how many LF-A's they actually sold ? No matter how you look at it, it still seems about £150K to expensive.
Suspect they canned the convertible because they knew that no one would ever buy one.
Limited build so all sold IIRC?Suspect they canned the convertible because they knew that no one would ever buy one.
Overpriced but very exclusive and a nice piece of engineering.
I also like the look.
Imho this car is much like the One-77, unique design, limited run, way to expensive for what it is/can do.
But, neither are too expensive as both were sold out.
thewheelman said:
Overpriced? Yet they were still sold at a loss.
Doesn't matter, if I design & build a car myself taking years for the product, then charge 100k for the finished product, it'll be vastly inferior to cars costing 50k, therefore being overpriced.Doesn't matter if it actually cost me 200k to build it.
Such a shame that Toyota lost its way.
Used to produce some of the most bomb proof affordable fun/performance cars on the market then they lost it. I mean, an advert that promoted the pleasure of sitting in the back of your car (Avensis) rather than in the drivers seat tells you everything you needed to know.
Ive had all three flavours of MR2 and a GT4 Celica and would love them to re-introduce something fun and affordable again.
Hypercars are not the way to re-launch Toyota as a desirable brand for the enthusiast.
Used to produce some of the most bomb proof affordable fun/performance cars on the market then they lost it. I mean, an advert that promoted the pleasure of sitting in the back of your car (Avensis) rather than in the drivers seat tells you everything you needed to know.
Ive had all three flavours of MR2 and a GT4 Celica and would love them to re-introduce something fun and affordable again.
Hypercars are not the way to re-launch Toyota as a desirable brand for the enthusiast.
ZesPak said:
thewheelman said:
Overpriced? Yet they were still sold at a loss.
Doesn't matter, if I design & build a car myself taking years for the product, then charge 100k for the finished product, it'll be vastly inferior to cars costing 50k, therefore being overpriced.Doesn't matter if it actually cost me 200k to build it.
Escort Si-130 said:
The CT200h is s
t, it sucks cock.
Driven one? Maybe it's time to upgrade your Escort?t, it sucks cock.thewheelman said:
"So what is Toyota working on? Well, a go-faster version of the Lexus CT200h is one option (which sounds distinctly 'meh' to us)"
What's wrong with a performance model of the CT200h? My mother has a CT200h & it's a damn good car.
What's wrong with a performance model of the CT200h? My mother has a CT200h & it's a damn good car.
Bigchiefmuffin said:
I wonder how many LF-A's they actually sold ? No matter how you look at it, it still seems about £150K to expensive.
Suspect they canned the convertible because they knew that no one would ever buy one.
Yeah, but if there was a prancing horse or raging bull, the cost of the LFA would be over looked instantly.Suspect they canned the convertible because they knew that no one would ever buy one.
ZesPak said:
Funny you mention the CT200h, I've seen my first one only this morning! Deffo looked Japanese, looked very nice and stands out from the onslaught of similar German/French/Korean stuff we get.
It did have a hint of "subaru" going on in the back, could be just me though.
I thought the same thing when my mother got hers, hint of Subaru, & it took a while for it to grow on me. Now i much prefer it the the IS250 she had before. It did have a hint of "subaru" going on in the back, could be just me though.
DanDC5 said:
Frimley111R said:
You think? I doubt it if only because Toyota has the most yawn inducing range and brand out there. It'll start them back on hte right track but it can't turn around Toyota's sports car fortunes just like that. How many 370Zs do you see on the roads for example? A few but only a few.
Despite my slight pessimism I am glad to see them sorting their oh-so-dull-a-dishwater range and brand out.
370's not that many, see quite a few 350's though. Actually come to think of it, I think I've seen more GTR's than 370o's....Despite my slight pessimism I am glad to see them sorting their oh-so-dull-a-dishwater range and brand out.
It's depressing though - you would have thought that people would just buy cheaper, smaller sports cars, but the only ones on sale for vaguely affordable price tags, apart from the MX5, are low-volume British things - MG TF, Morgan Roadster, Caterham Seven Classic - that sort of thing. I suppose you could count the Vauxhall Tigra and Renault Wind too. Just.
What happened to cars that are just plain fun? It seems that anything 'sporty' has to be some hardcore brute/hi-tech barge controlled by umpteen computers, capable of lapping the Nurburgring in [insert time meaningless in the real world], or a 'sports-styled' hatchback-coupe thingy which, while looking good, is usually specified with dull shopping-car innards. Yes, OK, so you can get an Astra GTC VXR or a VW Scirocco R, but for some reason people are more likely to get diesel versions of either.
What's wrong with a car that isn't necessarily the fastest thing in the world, but by the same token isn't expensive by anyone's standards, and offers good honest roof-off fun that makes everything seem faster than it actually is? Or is it really the case that the MX5 has managed to dominate the market so comprehensively that there's no room for anything else?
Twincam16 said:
Only because it seems the recession's hit sales of all sports cars. Back when people were buying loads of stuff they couldn't really afford, there were 350Zs and Z4s on every corner. Since the 370Z and the restyled Z4, you hardly see any.
It's depressing though - you would have thought that people would just buy cheaper, smaller sports cars, but the only ones on sale for vaguely affordable price tags, apart from the MX5, are low-volume British things - MG TF, Morgan Roadster, Caterham Seven Classic - that sort of thing. I suppose you could count the Vauxhall Tigra and Renault Wind too. Just.
What happened to cars that are just plain fun? It seems that anything 'sporty' has to be some hardcore brute/hi-tech barge controlled by umpteen computers, capable of lapping the Nurburgring in [insert time meaningless in the real world], or a 'sports-styled' hatchback-coupe thingy which, while looking good, is usually specified with dull shopping-car innards. Yes, OK, so you can get an Astra GTC VXR or a VW Scirocco R, but for some reason people are more likely to get diesel versions of either.
What's wrong with a car that isn't necessarily the fastest thing in the world, but by the same token isn't expensive by anyone's standards, and offers good honest roof-off fun that makes everything seem faster than it actually is? Or is it really the case that the MX5 has managed to dominate the market so comprehensively that there's no room for anything else?
I agree with you there! It's depressing though - you would have thought that people would just buy cheaper, smaller sports cars, but the only ones on sale for vaguely affordable price tags, apart from the MX5, are low-volume British things - MG TF, Morgan Roadster, Caterham Seven Classic - that sort of thing. I suppose you could count the Vauxhall Tigra and Renault Wind too. Just.
What happened to cars that are just plain fun? It seems that anything 'sporty' has to be some hardcore brute/hi-tech barge controlled by umpteen computers, capable of lapping the Nurburgring in [insert time meaningless in the real world], or a 'sports-styled' hatchback-coupe thingy which, while looking good, is usually specified with dull shopping-car innards. Yes, OK, so you can get an Astra GTC VXR or a VW Scirocco R, but for some reason people are more likely to get diesel versions of either.
What's wrong with a car that isn't necessarily the fastest thing in the world, but by the same token isn't expensive by anyone's standards, and offers good honest roof-off fun that makes everything seem faster than it actually is? Or is it really the case that the MX5 has managed to dominate the market so comprehensively that there's no room for anything else?
One of my all time favorite cars I ever had was my 86 Honda CRX SI...even in stock trim with the single cam 1.5...It felt like a Go-Kart for the street...handled well...and was just so much fun to drive
once I swapped out for the 1.6 DOHC engine...it got more fun...but still wasn't the fastest thing on the street...but I would just take it out just for the joy of driving it...it didn't have to be hyper quick...it made me enjoy driving it..something I have lost since getting rid of the car
Twincam16 said:
Only because it seems the recession's hit sales of all sports cars. Back when people were buying loads of stuff they couldn't really afford, there were 350Zs and Z4s on every corner. Since the 370Z and the restyled Z4, you hardly see any.
It's depressing though - you would have thought that people would just buy cheaper, smaller sports cars, but the only ones on sale for vaguely affordable price tags, apart from the MX5, are low-volume British things - MG TF, Morgan Roadster, Caterham Seven Classic - that sort of thing. I suppose you could count the Vauxhall Tigra and Renault Wind too. Just.
What happened to cars that are just plain fun? It seems that anything 'sporty' has to be some hardcore brute/hi-tech barge controlled by umpteen computers, capable of lapping the Nurburgring in [insert time meaningless in the real world], or a 'sports-styled' hatchback-coupe thingy which, while looking good, is usually specified with dull shopping-car innards. Yes, OK, so you can get an Astra GTC VXR or a VW Scirocco R, but for some reason people are more likely to get diesel versions of either.
What's wrong with a car that isn't necessarily the fastest thing in the world, but by the same token isn't expensive by anyone's standards, and offers good honest roof-off fun that makes everything seem faster than it actually is? Or is it really the case that the MX5 has managed to dominate the market so comprehensively that there's no room for anything else?
Hopefully, if Toyota are to be believed, this is where the FT-86 production car is to step in. The brief for it has always been to be an affordable rear wheel drive sports coupe, the AE86 of the new millenium. If they follow this brief when it is produced, it's the reason I believe it will be a big hit. It's depressing though - you would have thought that people would just buy cheaper, smaller sports cars, but the only ones on sale for vaguely affordable price tags, apart from the MX5, are low-volume British things - MG TF, Morgan Roadster, Caterham Seven Classic - that sort of thing. I suppose you could count the Vauxhall Tigra and Renault Wind too. Just.
What happened to cars that are just plain fun? It seems that anything 'sporty' has to be some hardcore brute/hi-tech barge controlled by umpteen computers, capable of lapping the Nurburgring in [insert time meaningless in the real world], or a 'sports-styled' hatchback-coupe thingy which, while looking good, is usually specified with dull shopping-car innards. Yes, OK, so you can get an Astra GTC VXR or a VW Scirocco R, but for some reason people are more likely to get diesel versions of either.
What's wrong with a car that isn't necessarily the fastest thing in the world, but by the same token isn't expensive by anyone's standards, and offers good honest roof-off fun that makes everything seem faster than it actually is? Or is it really the case that the MX5 has managed to dominate the market so comprehensively that there's no room for anything else?
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