RE: You Know You Want To... RUF Turbo R CTR2 'look'
Thursday 22nd September 2011
Using the word 'look' at the end of a car's description can quickly calm your pulse, even if it is preceded by the words 'Porsche', 'RUF' and 'CTR2'. It implies that said machine is, in fact, an evocation, a tribute, a replica...a - er - copy.
Despite what must have been immense cost, this 993 was reportedly completely rebuilt at the RUF factory to Turbo R spec with CTR2 styling cues (right down to the de-seaming of the roof, the full cage, the interior, the suspension, the 490bhp engine, the wheels... need we go on?).
You Know You Want To... RUF Turbo R CTR2 'look'
Hang on... 'look'? That doesn't sound good at all...
But there are copies and there are copies. Cars like, say, an Impreza 2.0 Sport with a pram-handle spoiler and garish yellow '555' livery laid on top of a Blue Mica paint job really can't be considered in the same breath as ones like this Porsche. Because its look is more than skin-deep.
Okay, the rear wing is incorrect for a CTR2 - the original was much bigger, and of course it won't boast a RUF VIN like the originals. But what separates cars like this from other lookalikes is that all of the upgrade work was carried out by RUF itself.
This car is in Paris and the asking price is just under £105,000, which doesn't sound too bad for a 993 with a RUF technician's fingerprints all over the greasy bits. But it is still a copy of something else, and on that basis alone it'll be a no-no to some people regardless of its specification. If that's the case and you hanker after a rare 993, how about this Turbo S from our classifieds for £125,000? Or perhaps even this Gemballa GTR600 at £89,995?
There are Porsche fans out there who'll tell you that as long as it's a 993 you can't miss, but which one does it for you?
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Discussion
Mark.H said:
Ok, think of it as an "unofficial" RUF. Not too hard a concept to grasp? They took a 993 and modified it in a configuration that is similar to a CTR2.
so how does that differ from a "official" RUF...if RUF did the work surely that makes it what it is?sorry I'm not a RUF fanatic so please pardon my ignorance ...
my knowledge of RUF (and what they do to a standard Porsche) is along the lines of "all they do is slap a few go faster bits on and throw a bodykit at it"
feel free to educate me
How much is a genuine CTR2?
I'm not really one to split hairs with what constitutes a Ruf car, and where to line is drawn to become a Porsche car that Ruf has worked on. I just think that it is a fabulous car, full stop.
HOWEVER, for that money, I'd choose to miss out on the thrust of the turbo engine, and look for a 993 RS to covet, drive, and enjoy.
I'm not really one to split hairs with what constitutes a Ruf car, and where to line is drawn to become a Porsche car that Ruf has worked on. I just think that it is a fabulous car, full stop.
HOWEVER, for that money, I'd choose to miss out on the thrust of the turbo engine, and look for a 993 RS to covet, drive, and enjoy.
It's hardly a copy if RUF did the conversion themselves.
Option 1 from them is a bodyshell and associated bits are delivered from Porsche.
A car is then built to whatever spec and given a RUF vin number and registered as a RUF, as they have manufacturer status.
Option 2, take your already owned and cherished Porsche and ask RUF to do whatever conversion you want on it.
Same result apart from the registration docs.
In the grand scheme of things, it will be worth less in the long run, but means someone could end up with a "relative" bargain a few years down the line.
Its the same as buying a genuine Alpina from Alpina in Germany, or buying a converted car from the likes of Sytner in the UK.
Option 1 from them is a bodyshell and associated bits are delivered from Porsche.
A car is then built to whatever spec and given a RUF vin number and registered as a RUF, as they have manufacturer status.
Option 2, take your already owned and cherished Porsche and ask RUF to do whatever conversion you want on it.
Same result apart from the registration docs.
In the grand scheme of things, it will be worth less in the long run, but means someone could end up with a "relative" bargain a few years down the line.
Its the same as buying a genuine Alpina from Alpina in Germany, or buying a converted car from the likes of Sytner in the UK.
mr y2blade...
Well for starters an official car has a RUF vin according to ze report above and wikipedia, and will be registered as their product with a build nr etc, however this thing looks like it is a Porsche 993 with some stick on bits and is therefore not an official car.
WIKI says: When a chassis arrives, RUF builds their own independent work into the car. Because RUF installs many of their own-made parts (not to be confused with badge engineering), the company is recognized as a manufacturer by the German government....
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruf_Automobile
Well for starters an official car has a RUF vin according to ze report above and wikipedia, and will be registered as their product with a build nr etc, however this thing looks like it is a Porsche 993 with some stick on bits and is therefore not an official car.
WIKI says: When a chassis arrives, RUF builds their own independent work into the car. Because RUF installs many of their own-made parts (not to be confused with badge engineering), the company is recognized as a manufacturer by the German government....
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruf_Automobile
y2blade said:
so how does that differ from a "official" RUF...if RUF did the work surely that makes it what it is?
sorry I'm not a RUF fanatic so please pardon my ignorance ...
my knowledge of RUF (and what they do to a standard Porsche) is along the lines of "all they do is slap a few go faster bits on and throw a bodykit at it"
feel free to educate me
Not at all. Think more AMG for Porsche.sorry I'm not a RUF fanatic so please pardon my ignorance ...
my knowledge of RUF (and what they do to a standard Porsche) is along the lines of "all they do is slap a few go faster bits on and throw a bodykit at it"
feel free to educate me
They also do rebuilds, restoration and bespoke work.
AMG, Alpina, Ruf etc (and oddly Quattro GMBH) are all a result of an oddity in German law to do with Vin numbers and the point at which a modifier becomes a car maker. I think tax brakes also have something to do with it.
Edited by PaulMoor on Thursday 22 September 11:09
Gaz. said:
y2blade said:
Mark.H said:
Ok, think of it as an "unofficial" RUF. Not too hard a concept to grasp? They took a 993 and modified it in a configuration that is similar to a CTR2.
so how does that differ from a "official" RUF...if RUF did the work surely that makes it what it is?sorry I'm not a RUF fanatic so please pardon my ignorance ...
my knowledge of RUF (and what they do to a standard Porsche) is along the lines of "all they do is slap a few go faster bits on and throw a bodykit at it"
feel free to educate me
For my money I'd want all the oily bits but the standard 993TT bodywork.
Mark.H said:
mr y2blade...
Well for starters an official car has a RUF vin according to ze report above and wikipedia, and will be registered as their product with a build nr etc, however this thing looks like it is a Porsche 993 with some stick on bits and is therefore not an official car.
WIKI says: When a chassis arrives, RUF builds their own independent work into the car. Because RUF installs many of their own-made parts (not to be confused with badge engineering), the company is recognized as a manufacturer by the German government....
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruf_Automobile
Well for starters an official car has a RUF vin according to ze report above and wikipedia, and will be registered as their product with a build nr etc, however this thing looks like it is a Porsche 993 with some stick on bits and is therefore not an official car.
WIKI says: When a chassis arrives, RUF builds their own independent work into the car. Because RUF installs many of their own-made parts (not to be confused with badge engineering), the company is recognized as a manufacturer by the German government....
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruf_Automobile
PaulMoor said:
Not at all. Think more AMG for Porsche.
They also do rebuilds, restoration and bespoke work.
AMG, Alpina, Ruf etc (and oddly Quattro GMBH) are all a result of an oddity in German law to do with Vin numbers and the point at which a modifier becomes a car maker. I think tax brakes also have something to do with it.
wow I honestly had no idea.They also do rebuilds, restoration and bespoke work.
AMG, Alpina, Ruf etc (and oddly Quattro GMBH) are all a result of an oddity in German law to do with Vin numbers and the point at which a modifier becomes a car maker. I think tax brakes also have something to do with it.
Edited by PaulMoor on Thursday 22 September 11:09
live and learn
thank you guys
s'ok I openly admit most of what I know about RUF is through Gran Turismo
I so would, but only because "proper" Turbo Rs are so hard to come by.
A RUF Turbo R would be number 2 on my dream car list - 0-60 in the mid-3s, 200mph+, impecable handling, and you can take the kiddies to school in it (correct me if I'm wrong, but as far as I can tell "proper" Turbo Rs still have their rear seats).
The Turbo S is an incredible car, and will become a real collectors item over time, but the Turbo R is just that much more exclusive, and that much more exciting.
p.s. Number 1 on my list would be Alois Jr. making a RUF just for me (with spec somewhere between the current RT12-R and the RT12-S - what can I say, I like rear seats!)
A RUF Turbo R would be number 2 on my dream car list - 0-60 in the mid-3s, 200mph+, impecable handling, and you can take the kiddies to school in it (correct me if I'm wrong, but as far as I can tell "proper" Turbo Rs still have their rear seats).
The Turbo S is an incredible car, and will become a real collectors item over time, but the Turbo R is just that much more exclusive, and that much more exciting.
p.s. Number 1 on my list would be Alois Jr. making a RUF just for me (with spec somewhere between the current RT12-R and the RT12-S - what can I say, I like rear seats!)
PaulMoor said:
Not at all. Think more AMG for Porsche.
They also do rebuilds, restoration and bespoke work.
AMG, Alpina, Ruf etc (and oddly Quattro GMBH) are all a result of an oddity in German law to do with Vin numbers and the point at which a modifier becomes a car maker. I think tax brakes also have something to do with it.
Not really.They also do rebuilds, restoration and bespoke work.
AMG, Alpina, Ruf etc (and oddly Quattro GMBH) are all a result of an oddity in German law to do with Vin numbers and the point at which a modifier becomes a car maker. I think tax brakes also have something to do with it.
Edited by PaulMoor on Thursday 22 September 11:09
AMG are owned by and part of MB, RUF are a stand alone company with a very good relationship with Porsche.
Your analgy of what they do is good, but I would replace AMG with maybe Brabus
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