RE: Mr Big Stuff News: Go Green With Big Trucks
Discussion
vonuber said:
Motorways are designed to HA spec and have a depth of construction and wearing course that cannot be 'done on the cheap'. Increasing the depth of construction (i.e the wearing course, and not the sub-base) would cost a lot of money. Anyone willing to pay for it?
we already do.. look at thisMotorists paid £28,747 million in tax and duty in 1985-6 compared to £43,885 million in 2007-8 in real terms1.
Since 2002, the government has spent more on rail infrastructure than road infrastructure, although rail is used for only seven per cent of all passenger travel. In 2008 the government spent £4,807 million on road infrastructure compared to £5,567 million on rail infrastructure.
http://www.iam.org.uk/latest_news/motoringtaxishig...
Edited by jbi on Tuesday 4th October 21:12
M0BZY said:
You are right about Oz but I have never seen any in NZ,come to think of it I have not seen anything bigger than you see over here.
They have trucks like that Lindsay one on page 3 - ie small 20ft A trailer and 40ft B trailer. They also have tipper trucks with a short (15 tonne) tractor unit and longer 30 tonne trailer unit. These things go through the middle of towns quite happily. Hell, the main docks for the country (Auckland) are practically in the middle of town! All you have to do is cross 1 street and you've gone from industrial dockland to the heart of the shopping district. As I stated before, there is no reason that we cannot have 2 B trailers (ie 40ft artics) behind a single tractor unit and have limitations on their use. For example 9pm-6am motorway use only. Most of the supermarket distribution centres are on the motorway network anyway and it would save fuel, save costs, etc. It also might mean we get to see decent tractor units like the Kenworth below. The jake brakes on them sound fantastic.
NZ truck and trailer unit.
Kenworth (Proper truck!)
Condi said:
As I stated before, there is no reason that we cannot have 2 B trailers (ie 40ft artics) behind a single tractor unit and have limitations on their use. For example 9pm-6am motorway use only. Most of the supermarket distribution centres are on the motorway network anyway
err...basic flaw in this plan is that whilst the distribution centres might well be next to the motorway network (and I am not sure that's actually true), they don't drive from distribution centre to distribution centre, they go to the shops.
Scuffers said:
err...
basic flaw in this plan is that whilst the distribution centres might well be next to the motorway network (and I am not sure that's actually true), they don't drive from distribution centre to distribution centre, they go to the shops.
which as I previously mentioned... most of the large supermarkets are situated outside of town with very good transport links.basic flaw in this plan is that whilst the distribution centres might well be next to the motorway network (and I am not sure that's actually true), they don't drive from distribution centre to distribution centre, they go to the shops.
This isn't done by accident
robinessex said:
If UK motorways were built properly, we wouldn't have 'tramlines'. Cheap surfaceing materials. German motorways are twice as thick as the UK's.
but German motorways still suffer the same problems (which is particularly scarey when driving a 911 on summer tyres with a copy of cms of snow on the ground!).jbi said:
Scuffers said:
err...
basic flaw in this plan is that whilst the distribution centres might well be next to the motorway network (and I am not sure that's actually true), they don't drive from distribution centre to distribution centre, they go to the shops.
which as I previously mentioned... most of the large supermarkets are situated outside of town with very good transport links.basic flaw in this plan is that whilst the distribution centres might well be next to the motorway network (and I am not sure that's actually true), they don't drive from distribution centre to distribution centre, they go to the shops.
This isn't done by accident
Also, topically, Tesco's just reported today that their out of town shops are now taking the sales hit cause of the cost of fuel.
Scuffers said:
err...
basic flaw in this plan is that whilst the distribution centres might well be next to the motorway network (and I am not sure that's actually true), they don't drive from distribution centre to distribution centre, they go to the shops.
Drive the M62, M1, M18 etc and you'll see LOADS of distribution centres. Im extrapolating that to include down south, so yeah, most are by motorways. basic flaw in this plan is that whilst the distribution centres might well be next to the motorway network (and I am not sure that's actually true), they don't drive from distribution centre to distribution centre, they go to the shops.
And a lot of 'things' do go from big centre to big centre, and from there to shops. My plan defiantly has legs.
As an aside, does anyone know what happened to that experimental Stobart truck which was taken on the road as a test vehicle? I think they wanted a court to decide if it was legal or not, maybe 12, 18 months ago?
Condi said:
Drive the M62, M1, M18 etc and you'll see LOADS of distribution centres. Im extrapolating that to include down south, so yeah, most are by motorways.
And a lot of 'things' do go from big centre to big centre, and from there to shops. My plan defiantly has legs.
As an aside, does anyone know what happened to that experimental Stobart truck which was taken on the road as a test vehicle? I think they wanted a court to decide if it was legal or not, maybe 12, 18 months ago?
of course if you drive on a Mway you will see some, that however, does not mean that most are by motorways, try looking about.And a lot of 'things' do go from big centre to big centre, and from there to shops. My plan defiantly has legs.
As an aside, does anyone know what happened to that experimental Stobart truck which was taken on the road as a test vehicle? I think they wanted a court to decide if it was legal or not, maybe 12, 18 months ago?
eg. this one is nowhere near a Mway (just up the road from here)
http://g.co/maps/fpuws
or Stobarts chilled centre here:
http://g.co/maps/324r9
Also, nowhere near a Mway.
seriously, I would put good money on the majority of distribution centres being not bang on Mways.
Nickyboy said:
leon9191 said:
We've got one of the new Volvo FH750's in the work shop now, as well as the brand new FMX, they are both being installed with recovery cranes for norway. Very nice trucks.
And a few very heavy trucks (Machine gun turrets are optional) if you like that sort of thing!
Err that's not an FH16 750And a few very heavy trucks (Machine gun turrets are optional) if you like that sort of thing!
For starters the FH16 range have dark smoked headlights, chrome door handles, and FH16 badge on the top r/h of the grill.
Also the FH16 750 isnt beginning production until the spring.
jbi said:
supermarkets located towards the middle of towns tend to be fairly compact and thus do not need vehicles of this size supplying them anyhow.
The larger stores however would benefit greatly.
Of course they still need the full size trailer. The only place we use smaller ones or rigids is where there is physically not enough room to get a full size trailer in.The larger stores however would benefit greatly.
With a full size trailer that store could get one delivery a day rather than 2 smaller ones, depending on where the RDC/Store is located this could keep 1 wagon off the road for a full day.
If the store is a smaller convenience one then you can put 2 maybe 3 drops on 1 trailer, again depending on locations keeping another 1 or 2 wagons off the road for a full day.
This article does miss one big point out: the freight which needs transporting from A to B is vast, and as population grows will only get more.
There does need to be a big effort looking towards reducing the need for so much freight. Packaging, local suppliers etc can all be looked at. Although the current freight model means this can be more expensive, it does need to be considered by the consumer and supplier if we dont want more, larger trucks...
Sorry for those of you in the growing iundustry of freight, but it does.
There does need to be a big effort looking towards reducing the need for so much freight. Packaging, local suppliers etc can all be looked at. Although the current freight model means this can be more expensive, it does need to be considered by the consumer and supplier if we dont want more, larger trucks...
Sorry for those of you in the growing iundustry of freight, but it does.
leon9191 said:
No its not your right, what I thought was an FH16 is in another work shop being installed the white FH is just a stock unit that happened to be next to the FMX. Good spot tho wasnt sure I'd get pick'd up on that.
Sorry, been well into truck ever since i was a nipper 
Big power is great but a straight 6 just doesnt have the sound of a V8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xijS0SDGeMs&fea...
williamp said:
This article does miss one big point out: the freight which needs transporting from A to B is vast, and as population grows will only get more.
There does need to be a big effort looking towards reducing the need for so much freight. Packaging, local suppliers etc can all be looked at. Although the current freight model means this can be more expensive, it does need to be considered by the consumer and supplier if we dont want more, larger trucks...
Sorry for those of you in the growing iundustry of freight, but it does.
very much so, what your asking for is something no government has managed to actually tackled for decades, an integrated transport plan.There does need to be a big effort looking towards reducing the need for so much freight. Packaging, local suppliers etc can all be looked at. Although the current freight model means this can be more expensive, it does need to be considered by the consumer and supplier if we dont want more, larger trucks...
Sorry for those of you in the growing iundustry of freight, but it does.
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